<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607</id><updated>2012-01-07T15:01:19.056-08:00</updated><category term='Pseudoscience'/><category term='Science Fiction'/><category term='Woman'/><category term='China'/><category term='Economics'/><category term='Islamophobia'/><category term='Logic'/><category term='Evangelism'/><category term='Miller'/><category term='Way of the Master'/><category term='Judaism'/><category term='Movie'/><category term='Politics'/><category term='Morality'/><category term='Wikipedia'/><category term='New Testament'/><category term='Medicine'/><category term='Index'/><category term='Travel'/><category term='CERN'/><category term='PZ Myers'/><category term='Bible'/><category term='Weather'/><category term='Censorship'/><category term='History'/><category term='Hovind'/><category term='Humor'/><category term='New Years'/><category term='Jesus'/><category term='Ray Comfort'/><category term='Fox News'/><category term='Sky and Telescope'/><category term='Religion'/><category term='Nazism'/><category term='News Corp'/><category term='School'/><category term='Islam'/><category term='Muslim'/><category term='Copyright'/><category term='Rene Salm'/><category term='Expelled'/><category term='Rupert Murdock'/><category term='Nazareth'/><category term='Feminism'/><category term='United Nations'/><category term='Intelligent Design'/><category term='Astronomy'/><category term='Science'/><category term='MySpace'/><category term='Vacation'/><category term='Creationism'/><category term='ID'/><category term='Discovery Institute'/><category term='Purpose'/><category term='Texas'/><category term='History Channel'/><category term='Nova'/><category term='Atheism'/><category term='Evolution'/><category term='Ali'/><category term='Justice'/><category term='Christianity'/><category term='Pennock'/><category term='Hitler'/><category term='Spring Break'/><category term='Blog'/><category term='Star of Bethlehem'/><title type='text'>Fleeing Nergal, Seeking Stars</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>77</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-5866788867418485869</id><published>2011-11-15T07:09:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2011-11-15T09:49:01.954-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Expelled'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>The Real Expelled</title><content type='html'>Several years ago, it was claimed in the "documentary" Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed that those in science departments were persecuted by their academic counterparts because they held creationist/intelligent design views.  Those arguments failed on the merits &lt;a href="http://www.expelledexposed.com/"&gt;that they were not true&lt;/a&gt;.  Nonetheless, the movie showed a common view among creationists: scientific heretical views are purged from universities and research institutes.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;However, it is starting to look more and more like &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projection_(psychology)"&gt;psychological projection&lt;/a&gt;.  This year there are two interesting stories on this point from the evangelical community.  First, we have John R. Schneider, a theologian who earned his degree at Fuller Theological Seminary and had taught at Calvin College in Michigan since the 1980s.  He had published an article about genetic science and how it relates to the story of Adam and Eve.  The gist is that &lt;a href="http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2010/PSCF9-10Schneider.pdf"&gt;modern genomic research makes the belief that there was ever just two humans untenable&lt;/a&gt;, and that a new theological approach is needed compared to the Augustinian view of the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Man"&gt;Fall of Man&lt;/a&gt;.  And the result of his attempt to help update evangelical beliefs about this part of the Genesis account?  He was effectively &lt;a href="http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/the-shame-of-calvin-college/37484"&gt;kicked out of Calvin College&lt;/a&gt;, a &lt;a href="http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/08/calvin_college_adam_and_eve_co.html"&gt;forced early retirement&lt;/a&gt; (for similar recent cases, see &lt;a href="http://www.christianpost.com/news/jobs-in-jeopardy-for-christian-scholars-who-believe-in-evolution-53612/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+delicious%2Fgqlf+%28Christian+Headlines+Top+Headlines%29"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So, here we have a case of origins research, and it is the person taking the mainstream scientific view that is loosing an academic position.  Literally, this is the Expelled thesis in reverse.  More importantly, as can be seen from Schneider's article, he is not saying that science has proven that the Incarnation and sacrifice of Jesus was in vain because the Genesis story is not literally true, but that the theological position needs to be reconfigured with the new science, not unlike how Christians had to be used to the Earth moving about the sun rather than vice versa.  So the question if not about biblical authority but about interpretation, yet that was enough to get Dr. Schneider into how water.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And this isn't the only example this year.  Perhaps more egregious, at least to me, has been the recent treatment of Mike Licona, a respected apologist who has written a giant tome defending the &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Resurrection-Jesus-New-Historiographical-Approach/dp/0830827196/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;qid=1321370878&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;historicity of the Resurrection of Jesus&lt;/a&gt;.  While I don't come anywhere near agreeing with Licona's position, he certainly proves to have done his scholastic homework, and his work had received praise from other big names in biblical scholarship such as Stanley Porter, Craig Evans, James Charlesworth, and Gerd Theissen, along with big names in apologetics such as William Lang Craig, Gary Habermas, and more.  However, apparently among the inerrantist community of Christians, those that believe every single sentence of the Bible is true and authoritative, they found a problem, a T that was not crossed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In Licona's book, he discusses the odd story of the dead saints rising from their graves at the death of Jesus and coming into Jerusalem to be seen by many as recounted in Matthew 27:52-3.  It's a story that many point to as &lt;a href="http://theskepticalreview.com/tsrmag/1saint92.html"&gt;unlikely historical&lt;/a&gt; (and even laughable).  Since Dr. Licona is part of evangelical Christianity that affirms inerrancy, his treatment of this passage ought to have been to affirm its historicity and move on.  Instead, he compares the story to other tales outside of the Gospel, especially in the Greco-Roman literature of the time, and figures that the story more likely was given for its symbolic value rather than its historical value.  And that is a view that I can get behind, and his supporting materials are helpful to any academic who wants to look into the issue.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;However, inerrancy is not a stable construct, because if any support, any verse is found to be questionable, it is viewed as undermining the entire position and theology collapses.  Actually, it is more complex that this, as described by Robert M. Price in&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Inerrant-Wind-Evangelical-Biblical-Authority/dp/1591026768/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=books&amp;amp;ie=UTF8&amp;amp;qid=1321371776&amp;amp;sr=1-1-spell"&gt;Inerrant the Wind&lt;/a&gt;.  Evangelicals have been arguing what the authority of the Bible really is and what must be taken as literal and what is not.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Nonetheless, Licona stepped on an evangelical landmine, especially with the open letters from Norman Geisler, a well-known apologetic author.  After a few open letters and a response by Dr. Licona whose response appears like bet-hedging yet holds to his view that it is reasonable to read the account as metaphorical, he is also &lt;a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2011/november/interpretation-sparks-theology-debate.html"&gt;now out of his job&lt;/a&gt; as reported by Christianity today.  Licona had received support from others in another &lt;a href="http://www.veritasseminary.com/Previous%20letters.pdf"&gt;open letter signed by a number of popular apologists&lt;/a&gt; (the link includes responses by Geisler and Licona), yet the Christianity Today article quotes Paul Copan saying that others support Dr. Licona but are afraid to do so publicly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is quite amazing to me.  There is a wide-spread fear in evangelical scholarship of getting the right answers, so much so that it causes them to cower away from supporting a fellow academic.  Jeffery Jay Lowder &lt;a href="http://secularoutpost.infidels.org/2011/11/christian-nt-scholar-and-apologist.html"&gt;similarly notes&lt;/a&gt; that this indicates that such scholars cannot follow the evidence where it goes.  The incident also shows that the view of the historicity of the Resurrection is not historically defensible but is instead dogma; Licona was brow-beaten into submission, and when that failed he was forced out of his job and the evangelical society he was in; his talks have been cancelled, and who knows what will happen next.  Was a case of the historicity of the dead saints presented to Mike?  It certainly wasn't done so by Geisler, who simply made his own Condemnation of 1277 against Dr. Licona.  The argument against him was simply he came to the "wrong" conclusion.  All this is is a modern witch hunt, as characterized by another evangelical, Craig Blomberg, in the Christianity Today article.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Both Drs. Schneider and Licona proved to be courageous in holding to their views even under the pressures on them, and I wish them both well.  Nonetheless, these cases demonstrate all too well that the epistemology employed to the branches of Christianity these men belonged to is a failed one which cannot handle even the slightest re-examination by its own members (let alone from outside of it).  And when they kick out great minds, especially relatively young folks such as Licona, they are dooming themselves to nonexistence in a short period of time.  In the end, the prosecutors shall themselves be expelled, as the last will become the first, and the first become the last.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-5866788867418485869?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/5866788867418485869/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=5866788867418485869' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5866788867418485869'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5866788867418485869'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2011/11/real-expelled.html' title='The Real Expelled'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-7886203401545495512</id><published>2011-09-29T18:47:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-09-29T18:59:43.167-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Woman'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Feminism'/><title type='text'>Let Go of Your Hate</title><content type='html'>For some time now, there has been an ongoing "debate" in the skeptical/atheist community about the subject of feminism largely due to a talk by &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Watson#Elevator_incident"&gt;Rebecca Watson about a bad pass made at her in an awkward and creepy situation&lt;/a&gt;, and so many could not handle the things she had to say about this, namely, don't do this.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The vile that has been poured out from this has been really nuts, and I fail to understand why it makes so many so angry.  The only silver lining I have found is that it means there are lights being shined on the problem of latent sexism in the skeptical community, and I have also become more aware of how women can feel about social interactions.  But that lining seems all the thinner when the putrid hatred keeps coming from the haters.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Recently Rebecca s&lt;a href="http://skepchick.org/2011/09/mom-dont-read-this/"&gt;howcased how bad the comments&lt;/a&gt; directed towards her have been even months after the "incident", and &lt;a href="http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/09/29/haters-gotta-hate/"&gt;PZ has weighed&lt;/a&gt; in as well.  It seems worth saying that this sort of stupid, juvenile, and despicable crap needs to be shown for the garbage it is.  I'm on Ms. Watson's side, and I hope she continues to talk about feminist issues because it's the only way this stupidity can be left behind.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-7886203401545495512?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/7886203401545495512/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=7886203401545495512' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/7886203401545495512'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/7886203401545495512'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2011/09/let-go-of-your-hate.html' title='Let Go of Your Hate'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-8231406671111610282</id><published>2011-06-11T21:20:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-06-22T21:23:21.937-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Judaism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>Going to the Promised Land</title><content type='html'>Of the many facets of religious observances and traditions, perhaps one of the most universal is that of pilgrimage, the travel to some holy place to better commune with divinity.  Our most common images perhaps come from the Christian Middle Ages when pilgrims filled the roads going to cathedrals across Europe because of some saint's remains or other holy incident at that location.  Relics and temples are often at the cite of pilgrimages, though a memorial is also common.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;However, less commonly thought of are pilgrimages of the Jews before the end of antiquity.  How common an activity was this, say in the first century?  This discussion came up &lt;a href="http://www.patheos.com/community/exploringourmatrix/2011/06/02/chapter-7-of-earl-dohertys-jesus-neither-god-nor-man"&gt;in part of a review of Earl Doherty's &lt;i&gt;Jesus: Neither God Nor Man&lt;/i&gt; by James McGrath&lt;/a&gt;.  The question was about whether it is plausible that there should have been Christian pilgrims in the first century to sites such as the empty tomb, something absent from earliest records such as Paul's letters.  How plausible such pilgrimages would have been and how likely someone would have mentioned such a pilgrimage and then how likely we would have that record won't be discussed here, but instead a fundamental question is worth considering: how common was pilgrimage among Jews at the time of Jesus?  James was figuring it was uncommon, but he wasn't certain; in a comment he suggested I look into it.  That is what I shall do here.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;As noted before, pilgrimages are a near universal in religious cultures around the world.  There were numerous holy places in the Greco-Roman world as well, such as the temples of Aesculapius where miracles and cures were often claimed.  We also know of medieval and modern Jewish pilgrims, not to mention Christian ones, such even with no evidence one would expect pilgrimages to be part of Judaism just from this general background.  With that initial probability favoring Jewish pilgrims, it would force one contending the opposite to justify that position.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;However, there are evidences to consider.  The most obvious form of pilgrimage in Second-Temple Judaism are the three major festivals that brought Jews from all ends of the Diaspora to Jerusalem.  The most obvious festival is Passover, which brought Jesus and his Disciples to the Temple as well.  There is no question of the magnitude of these festivals; Josephus wrote of the immense size of the crowds during Passovers, and Philo of Alexandria also wrote of his own pilgrimages to Jerusalem for festivals; we can also supplement rabbinic writings as well to confirm the magnitude of these festivals.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Nonetheless, this is not the sort of pilgrimages that are interest if one wants to compare to later periods or to Christianity.  We should be curious if there were other sites that Jews would wish to travel to because of their holiness or other religious importance.  For example, did Hebrew pilgrims trek to the tombs of the saints or the location of special events from the Old Testament?  What sorts of records do we have?  What does archaeology show?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My investigations were helps immensely by &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Pilgrimage-Jews-David-Gitlitz/dp/0275987639/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;qid=1308799172&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;Pilgrimage and the Jews&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; by David Gitlitz and Linda Davidson.  Their book focuses more on later periods, including Jews travelling to Holocaust sites and memorials, but there is also a fair amount concerning antiquity.  They look at much of the Old Testament of holy sites that may have attracted crowds.  However, one thing that they did not consider but seems much like Christian relic stories from the Middle Ages, concerns the body of the prophet Elisha.  According to Sirach 48:14 even the dead prophet brought about numerous miracles; could the author be thinking of something like relic stories?  If 2 Kings 13:20-21 is in view, this makes sense.  In this story a dead body is through into the tomb of Elisha, and the dead man returns to life.  Perhaps we have here an old sort of relic story.  Apparently Elisha had a tomb and people told stories about its miraculous powers.  We would then expect people to occasionally show up there as so many did at the temples of Aesculapius.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Another important document after biblical texts is a work often figured to date from the early first century CE, the &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_the_Prophets"&gt;Lives of the Prophets&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.  This work tells of many stories concerning the numerous speakers for God, and in many cases their death and tomb location is mentioned.  The importance of their tombs was apparently worth knowing as the fuller title of this work is &lt;i&gt;The Names of the Prophets, and whence they were, where they died, and how and where they were buried&lt;/i&gt;.  This work may have been known to the authors of the New Testament, but I won't pretend to know if that's true.  Nonetheless, it does give insight into the beliefs and activities of the time.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here are a few examples from this document.  Ezekiel is said to have drawn large crowds while preaching, and at one point does a Moses miracle to the river Chebar in Mesopotamia, splitting it to help his people escape the Chaldeans and then drowning the pursuers.  Ezekiel's tomb is described as having a stairway and multiple chambers.  The tomb of Jeremiah is said to have the sorts of powers medieval relics had, such as the sands taken from his Egyptian resting place were used to cure snakebites.  The tomb of Isaiah is also noted as in the vicinity of Jerusalem, so holy sites were located close and far away from the Holy City.  The story of Elisha resurrecting a dead man through bone contact is also retold.  These tombs seem to be well known as they help make sense of Luke 11:47 with Jesus talking about the tombs of the prophets.  Apparently these places were well-known either to Jesus or the Gospel authors.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Archaeology also supports this period as a time when many came to see the places of various righteous figures of Israel's past and mythology.  The &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs"&gt;Cave of the Patriarchs&lt;/a&gt; has been shown to have been &lt;a href="http://members.bib-arch.org/publication.asp?PubID=BSBA&amp;amp;Volume=11&amp;amp;Issue=03&amp;amp;ArticleID=01"&gt;refurbished during the time of Herod the Great&lt;/a&gt;, as wells as the tomb of David according to Josephus (&lt;i&gt;JA&lt;/i&gt; 16.182).  (Lest we forget, there was also Herod's elaborate tomb, the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodium"&gt;Herodium&lt;/a&gt;, which he must have hoped people to show up to in remembrance considering the place.)  The construction at these places further indicates that they were common places for travelers to visit, so their upkeep would have been good for business.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have focused on locations and documents whose province is better known to show that indeed in the first century there were Jewish pilgrims to holy places other than the Temple.  More uncertain we could add Rachel's tomb, the tomb of Daniel, and others.  There is also the Mount of Olives; the fact that Jesus was supposed to have gone up there signifies it's importance, and would also suggest why the unnamed Egyptian rebel in the 60s CE also gathered his troops at this place.  John the Baptist's placement at the Jordan has significance, and the people who traveled to him can be said to have been on pilgrimage.  Later, the tombs of the rabbis were commonly venerated.  All of this strongly indicates that in fact pilgrimage was indeed a commonality of Jewish religious practice in the first century, even beyond that going for festival celebrations.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;With that established, we may begin to ponder about the resting place of Jesus' body...  temporarily, of course.  Would it have become a venerated location soon after his death?  Would we have expected the Jerusalem pillars to have "set up shop" outside of this most holy place for tourists?  This is a discussion that will need to take place at another time.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-8231406671111610282?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/8231406671111610282/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=8231406671111610282' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8231406671111610282'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8231406671111610282'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2011/06/going-to-promised-land.html' title='Going to the Promised Land'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-7933842358639030615</id><published>2011-05-20T14:32:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-05-20T14:41:30.474-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Islam'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Humor'/><title type='text'>Mo Day</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;A message from Muhammad:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.irreligion.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/muhammad.gif" style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 258px; height: 418px;" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;Surah 109&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;109.1&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;] Say: O unbelievers!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;109.2&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;] I do not serve that which you serve,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;109.3&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;109.4&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;109.5&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;[&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;109.6&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "&gt;] You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  &gt;...[109.7] Keep it real, yo!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  &gt;Happy Draw Muhammad Day!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-7933842358639030615?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/7933842358639030615/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=7933842358639030615' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/7933842358639030615'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/7933842358639030615'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2011/05/mo-day.html' title='Mo Day'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-905163949282664496</id><published>2011-05-01T20:51:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-05-03T14:24:50.988-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evangelism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christianity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>The End is Nigh (Again)</title><content type='html'>For the last several months, there has been an interesting, small Christian group going around preaching the end of the world is coming.  Of course, these sorts of claims have been taking place since, well, the earliest years of Christianity.  "This generation will not pass," said Jesus in Mark 13, referring to the tribulations before the Kingdom of God came with power into the world.  Since it didn't happen in the lifetime of Paul and the apostles, the doomsday prophecy has been reinterpreted so many times it is hard to count.  It has been done by the scholarly as well as the grossly incompetent.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;For example, in the 15th century, the French cardinal &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_d%27Ailly"&gt;Pierre d'Ailly&lt;/a&gt; used biblical verses as well as the top scientific predictor of the day--great-conjunction astrology--to say the end of the world was not in his time but in a few centuries from then (the 17th century or so, if I remember correctly).  Obviously, it didn't happen then.  D'Ailly's goal was more to alleviate the stress he felt from fearing the end was coming because of the near civil war going on in the Catholic Church when there were at one time three rival popes all declaring themselves the real pope (see the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_schism"&gt;Great Schism&lt;/a&gt;).  But not everyone else.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com/about-2/"&gt;Jim West&lt;/a&gt; has recounted an &lt;a href="http://zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com/2011/04/30/the-nuttiest-people-of-the-16th-century-and-today/"&gt;interesting story&lt;/a&gt; from the early Reformation period concerning the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabaptist"&gt;Anabaptists&lt;/a&gt;.  This particular group from the early 16th century in the town of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnster_Rebellion"&gt;Munster&lt;/a&gt; was incredibly nuts by any standard.  Their leaders shunned all worldly knowledge, they were themselves poorly educated, and when they took control of the town they burned all the books in the city library, save the Bible (or course).  Instituting polygamy and wife swapping, the main figures declared themselves king, the town the New Jerusalem, and you can bet they saw themselves as making the Kingdom come.  Their charismatic leader, Jan Matthijs, thought himself invincible, so when the combined Catholic and Protestant armies came to regain control of the town from the Anabaptists, Matthijs left the city walls to fight and was killed almost instantly.  Oops!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;One can also mention the Millerites in America.  They predicted the end of the world twice in the 1840s, and failed both times.  That group has now become the Seventh Day Adventists and don't predict exact days for the end times (though they say it's coming).  The &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion"&gt;Taiping Rebellion&lt;/a&gt; in China also has apocalyptic fervor, leading to millions killed in the mid-19th century.  And lest we forget, there was good ol' Hal Lindsey whose 1970 book &lt;i&gt;The Late, Great Planet Earth&lt;/i&gt; predicted the end of the world for 1988.  Damn that Ronald Reagan!  Well, that didn't quite happen, but Hal is still talking about the Apocalypse as coming around the corner.  Hey, he may not be wrong &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; time!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have hardly covered all the failed predictions of the end of the world by various Christian figures and groups, but it gives a context to place yet another such collection of people.  I mention this new group, the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio"&gt;Family Radio&lt;/a&gt; broadcasting ministry, because they have been putting up billboards all over the country, and recently have come to my university with signs, pamphlets, and all.  They even brought the kids.  Education?  Not when the Rapture is coming in less than a month!  Wait, that soon?  Well, no wonder their enthusiasm.  They predict the end will come on May 21, 2011.  And that is the day after &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draw_Muhammad_Day"&gt;Draw Muhammad Day&lt;/a&gt;, so God has good planning.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So, how did &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; group come up with their calculation?  First, they figure the Great Flood happened in 4990 BCE (they use BC, but I have to piss them off), and that because a day is a thousand years to God, there is 7000 years between this even and the Second Coming.  From another verse concerning the Flood, that event took place in the second month on the 17th day.  So, looking at the Hebrew calendar, they find that Iyar 17 is May 21 this year.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;How do they figure the Flood happened in 4990 BCE?  It's strange considering Archbishop Usher figured that the world was created in 4004 BCE, so I wonder what their calculation is.  If there is about a thousand year difference in time between events, that will throw a wrench into the calculating machines.  Moreover, why seven thousand years?  Why not one thousand years, or ten?  Beside, the Bible does not say 1000 years is a day to God, but that 1000 years is &lt;i&gt;like&lt;/i&gt; a day to God; making exacting calculations from a simile is a bit silly.  And why take the date from the Flood?  Why not from the Crucifixion?  It looks like a lot of work just to get a date close to modern times.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Oh, and getting an exact day, that rather unbiblical.  Again, Jesus said in Mark 13:32 that no one knows the day or hour, not even the angels in heaven or the Son.  If Jesus' doesn't know, then how does some pastor?  Strange that this verse isn't mentioned in the pamphlet.  Hal Lindsey at least had an interesting way out.  He didn't say what day the end way, just what week!  Such logic is so irritating, it makes you think that God would delay the Apocalypse just to mess with Hal.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Nonetheless, the interesting part will be when the day passes and everything is running like it did the day before, just as it happened every single time the end was predicted.  I suspect one of two things will happen.  First, the group will recalculate the date of the event; that is what the Millerites first did.  But when that fails again, the second possibility will take place.  The prophecy will be reinterpreted.  Perhaps the end &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; happen, and Jesus actually did come back but no one saw him.  That is what &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism"&gt;preterists&lt;/a&gt; believe, that Jesus did come back in 70 CE.  &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses"&gt;Jehovah Witnesses&lt;/a&gt; are similar, except Jesus came to rule in 1914.  I would bet that this new group will due something along these lines eventually.  What they likely won't do is give up their faith.  The sociological evidence is compelling that that is the very thing we can expect not to happen if this group has other things to fall back on.  Considering that Christian beliefs are far more complex than just hoping for the end times, there is plenty for the group to keep them together and find a way to work about this disconfirming evidence.  However, I do have to worry about the kids.  I doubt there will be something like &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown"&gt;Jonestown&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege"&gt;Waco&lt;/a&gt;, but who knows what sorts of mental issues they may have in such an organization.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So, I'm looking at May 21 as a good date to have a party.  It is a Saturday, and if worse comes to worse, at least I had a good last time before all Hell breaks loose.  Unless &lt;a href="http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2065080,00.html"&gt;there isn't a Hell&lt;/a&gt; anymore...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-905163949282664496?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/905163949282664496/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=905163949282664496' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/905163949282664496'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/905163949282664496'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2011/05/end-is-nigh-again.html' title='The End is Nigh (Again)'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-6345964649924390327</id><published>2011-04-25T19:41:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-04-25T19:58:38.128-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='CERN'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><title type='text'>A Massive Rumor</title><content type='html'>In the last week or so, a leaked note from CERN has been making its way about the blogosphere, and now can be found in &lt;a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20110425/sc_livescience/scientistsabuzzovercontroversialrumorthatgodparticlehasbeendetected"&gt;major news outlets&lt;/a&gt;.  This document seemed to indicate strong evidence for the existence of the Higgs boson as found using the data from the LHC.  This particle is important as it is the last prediction of the Standard Model of particle physics, and its purpose is quite significant: it is the product of a quantum field that gives particles mass.  Without such a Higgs mechanism, all particles would be massless, travel at the speed of light, and nothing we see would exist.  Chemistry would be right out, and life wouldn't be so likely.  So it is rather newsworthy when a group claims to have found it.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Firstly, the note claims a rather high level of statistical confidence, over 4σ, which is greater that 99% confidence.  In particle physics, the general standard is that 3σ is considered evidence, while 5σ is called a discovery (a probability of the null hypothesis being true of 1 in a million); this means that, if correct, this group had almost enough data to claim to having found the particle.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Secondly, this note should not have been out.  At CERN, there are internal notes such as this one that are not published in journals but remain within the confines of CERN researchers.  This is in part to prevent bad papers from getting published with the CERN label, and it also means that the machine and experimentalist experts get the first crack at trying to find holes in a given analysis.  That this note was leaked broke protocol, and there has been a fair bit of anger amongst the big shots.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Thirdly, the note is probably wrong in its assessment.  Most are skeptical of this result and see it as a likely effect from a particle method of analysis.  If you try a bunch of different ways to get a result from the data, eventually one will make nice plots, but then you may be simply fishing for anomalies.  &lt;a href="http://xkcd.com/882/"&gt;XKCD nailed that point recently&lt;/a&gt;.  Moreover, such a high level of confidence when the LHC hasn't being running long and has not produced that much data from collisions strikes me as erroneous.  I cannot be certain, but it really does force one to be skeptical.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Fourthly, even with 5σ confidence from one detector, without that being replicated at another detector at CERN it will be hard to truly claim that the Higgs has been found.  One renegade group and/or leaker won't be able to take the prize so easily.  Of course, some groups may be working much harder to make the discovery and don't want the credit shared with others that may not have done their part as competently, but ego isn't a great way to ensure good results.  Enthusiasm is wonderful, zeal is powerful, but boastful pride will more likely cause problems.  Fortunately, science is a community effort, so such hiccups in protocol is hardly going to taint future efforts.  More likely, everyone else is going to be extra careful so they don't have to stand out in the cold alone.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The LHC is up and running again, and it is taking data faster than ever before.  Who knows, we may actually make the discovery of this particle (or perhaps more than one Higgs particle?) in a year or two.  No matter the result, it will point to the future of high energy physics.  I'm 5σ confident.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-6345964649924390327?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/6345964649924390327/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=6345964649924390327' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/6345964649924390327'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/6345964649924390327'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2011/04/massive-rumor.html' title='A Massive Rumor'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-5653677732738431034</id><published>2011-04-23T13:29:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2011-04-23T13:32:26.048-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science Fiction'/><title type='text'>Trust Me, I'm a Doctor (or will be...)</title><content type='html'>Today is the season premier of &lt;i&gt;Doctor Who&lt;/i&gt;, the BBC production started in 1963, continued on TV until 1989, and properly returned in 2005.  The show is awesome, and it starts in just a matter of hours.  Also, this if the first time an episode has been shot in the USA, and it has something to do with Richard Nixon.  Hey, it worked in &lt;i&gt;Watchmen&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now, if only I had a TARDIS...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-5653677732738431034?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/5653677732738431034/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=5653677732738431034' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5653677732738431034'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5653677732738431034'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2011/04/trust-me-im-doctor-or-will-be.html' title='Trust Me, I&apos;m a Doctor (or will be...)'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-7384810129874828061</id><published>2011-02-27T08:52:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-02-27T09:15:24.748-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Economics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics'/><title type='text'>How Did This Happen?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Mother Jones Magazine, a progressive investigative paper around since the 1970s, had done an interesting, though to me frightening, &lt;a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110223/ts_yblog_thelookout/separate-but-unequal-charts-show-growing-rich-poor-gap"&gt;bit of research&lt;/a&gt; about the average household income from 1979 to 2007 in America.  The obvious thing was that the rich in the USA had the vast majority of the wealth, something that has been found in previous research for some time.  Hardly shocking, and because it has become so commonplace it hardly moves anyone to action except the most liberal.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The graph that really caught my attention though was this:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://l.yimg.com/a/i/ww/news/2011/02/23/winners2.jpg" style="text-align: justify;display: block; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: auto; cursor: pointer; width: 550px; height: 377px; " border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;As can be seen, the growth income for the bottom 80% of the country was non-existent for about three decades, and after taxes it was negative.  Conversely, the top 20% made money, even after taxes, and the top 1% more than doubled their income.  It is also interesting that there appears to be a correlation between when the rich take a hit and when the lower income levels go up, but without actually analyzing the raw data I can't say if this is statistically significant--that is, a real result or an artifact of my eye.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I can't think of better data that dis&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;proves t&lt;/span&gt;he supply-side economics slogan that rising waters lifts all boats.  When 80% of a country can get poorer while the GDP grew on average throughout this same period, that is a model worth setting out to sea.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;On the other hand, there are empirical facts that sh&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;ow that income disparities actually hurt economies.  This has been shown by researchers Robe&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;rto Perotti (&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 17px; "&gt;“Growth, Income Distribution, and Democracy: What the Data Say”, &lt;i&gt;Journal of Economic Growth&lt;/i&gt; 1(2) (1996): 149-187) and some at the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  &gt;&lt;a href="http://www.wider.unu.edu/publications/policy-briefs/en_GB/pb4/_files/78807311723331954/default/pb4.pdf"&gt;World Institute for Development Economics Research&lt;/a&gt;.  The same research also finds that high equality rates can be damaging as well, which explains by communist systems have been historically problematic.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  &gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"&gt;What this means is that the current model of giving more tax breaks to the top 1% in this country is not going to bring salvation but only exacerbate the problem.  Besides, if the poor keep getting poorer, then they cannot afford the products of the super-rich, and having the majority of your potential market kept out due to income disparity is going to hurt in the long run.  Also, the way many in the US have been able to increase their standard of living is increasing their debt, and that won't work indefinitely as well.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  &gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  &gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px;"&gt;Unless there is a significant change in policy about taxation, and one that is the exact opposite of libertarians and Tea Party activists, the middle class and poor are only going to get squeezed more and more.  But I have great difficulty fathoming how 80% of the nation can get less well off and think tax breaks for those outside above their income bracket will be their salvation.  It hasn't worked now from 30 years.  What's it going to take?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-7384810129874828061?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/7384810129874828061/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=7384810129874828061' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/7384810129874828061'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/7384810129874828061'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2011/02/how-did-this-happen.html' title='How Did This Happen?'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-2313829596849928340</id><published>2011-02-26T09:06:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-02-26T09:14:52.437-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Creationism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion'/><title type='text'>The Miracle-Free God of the Bible</title><content type='html'>Perhaps I need to pay more attention to the Old Testament prophets, because it looks like there are some interesting gems there.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;A blogger, Joel Watts, a theology student &lt;a href="http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2011/02/god-wouldnt-have-circumvented-natural-laws-in-creation/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;amp;utm_campaign=Feed:+TheChurchOfJesusChrist+(The+Church+of+Jesus+Christ)"&gt;has come up with a great passage from the Old Testament that can be quite the dirge against literalist creationists&lt;/a&gt;.  He noted in Jeremiah 31:35-6 that God says he would not circumvent the regularity of nature lest he end his covenant with his people Israel.  Now, he doesn't believe that one should take the whole thing literally, as there are miracles in the Bible, but that's the whole point!  If you are a literalist, this passage will contradict a miraculous creation; if you want a miraculous creation, you have to not be a literalist.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Will this convince any Young Earth Creationists?  I doubt it, but it is one more example of why students of the Bible are so much more interesting than those that only act like they are Bible lovers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-2313829596849928340?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/2313829596849928340/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=2313829596849928340' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/2313829596849928340'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/2313829596849928340'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2011/02/miracle-free-god-of-bible.html' title='The Miracle-Free God of the Bible'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-2270170847164826091</id><published>2010-12-14T14:00:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-12-14T14:54:20.347-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Star of Bethlehem'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Astronomy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion'/><title type='text'>No Star of Bethlehem--Thus Spake Zarathustra</title><content type='html'>In a &lt;a href="http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/11/sob-as-comet.html"&gt;previous post&lt;/a&gt;, I began a critique of one recent attempt to explain the Star of Bethlehem as a natural phenomenon, namely a comet.  There I showed that in the land in which the Magi were likely to have emerged from, comets, like in most all other cultures, are considered evil omens.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;However, one should ask what we know about the Magi and what we know about their interests in astrology.  After all, if we are trying to figure out what would have been interesting in the skies to these eastern sages, we need to know what they thought of events in the heavens.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Firstly, the term &lt;i&gt;magos&lt;/i&gt; in the Roman world would have meant something other than the peoples of Persia, and it was often used for astrologers in general or various diviners or magicians.  In fact, our term 'magic' is derivative of the Greco-Roman term.  Also, Christian figures such as Justin Martyr stated that the Magi were from Arabia.  Now, this may have been because of his understanding of Isaiah 60, where gifts brought to the Jewish king by various members of regions close to the Holy Land are mentioned, along with a great light.  However, Matthew seems to imply that the Magi are in fact from the Parthian Empire.  Firstly, the term &lt;i&gt;magos&lt;/i&gt; appears in only one book in the Greek Old Testament, in the Book of Daniel.  Thus, a reader living in an environment that was dedicated to the holiness and importance of the OT would place the Greek term in the context of eastern soothsayers from the Babylonian Empire.  Furthermore, Matthew calls them magi "from the East", which would point in the direction of Babylonia/Persia far more than to Arabia, and this would also distinguish the Magi from the hucksters of the time in Imperial Rome.  Thus, it&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; seems best to think of these Magi as the ones mentioned from the East, especially as mentioned by figures such as Herodotus and Strabo.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now, the magi were the priests of the Zoroastrian faith, one that is considered even more ancient than that of the Hebrews (Mary Boyce placed the prophet Zoroaster in about 1200 BCE).  Also, the Zoroastrians had a cosmic dualistic theology, that there were two&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/Zartosht.jpg/220px-Zartosht.jpg" style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 220px; height: 315px;" border="0" alt="" /&gt; principle gods, Ahura Mazda (the good), and Ahriman (the evil).  These are the Avestan names of the deities, and later languages would show modification in the names (compar &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YHWH"&gt;YHWH&lt;/a&gt; to Jehovah).  Also, most all our texts for the faith come in later centuries and didn't reach the form we know them until the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasanian"&gt;Sassanian&lt;/a&gt; period.  Nonetheless, we can learn a fair bit about their beliefs from their texts, along with comparing classical sources, though we must be cautious concerning their quality.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now, what do we know about Zoroastrian astrological beliefs?  (My discussion here is primarily based on that of Gerard Mussies, “Some Astrological Presuppositions of Matthew 2: Oriental, Classical and Rabbinical Parallels” in van der Horst, &lt;i&gt;Aspects of Religious Contact and Conflict in the Ancient World&lt;/i&gt;, pp. 25-44.)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;From what we can gather, firstly, Greek astrological methods did not become well-known in Persia until the Sassanian period, especially under leaders such as &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapur_I"&gt;Shapur I&lt;/a&gt; who instituted programs to gather and translate Greek and Indian scientific works, namely in areas such as astronomy and astrology.  That this translation effort in Pahlavi does not come to be until this time suggests a lack of interest in the sort of astrology one finds in the works of Ptolemy.  This of course does much to harm the theories of researchers such as Michael Molnar who depend on their interpretation of horoscopes using Greek treatises.  But what is more damning is what Zoroastrians had to say about the main edifice of astrology: the planets.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;According to the preserved texts, in the beginning Ahura Mazda had the stars, Sun, and Moon as stationary objects giving off their light, a sign of their purity.  Also important where the constellations, especially those of the zodiac.  However, Ahriman corrupted the heavens as much as he could, and caused some of the bodies in the sky to move and attack the other uncorrupted bodies.  Thus the planets, the wandering stars, were evil, the product of the Evil One.  Along with the the five classical planets were the eclipsed Sun and Moon (the normal Sun and Moon were still good), the comet Mush Parig, and the lunar nodes called Goshihr.  The key thing is that changing bodies were the corrupted, which those that were regular such as the stars and the normal course of the Sun and Moon were pure and good.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Thus we see in the holy texts a very negative view of the planets.  In other texts, we find Zoroaster himself debating with Babylonian scholars about the meaning of heavenly bodies, which implies the debate going on in Sassanid Persia rather than an historical recollection--this of it as a sort of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_would_Jesus_do%3F"&gt;WWJD&lt;/a&gt; story, but instead WWZD.  We also get a sense for how late this debate is because the most ancient texts, the Avesta, speaks only of major, bright stars such as Sirius, along with the Sun and Moon.  The planets are not mentioned until this derivative literature is produced which is from the 3rd century CE or later.  There is also no direct evidence of astrological knowledge in earlier periods, and indirect evidence is not persuasive.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;What this means is that the sort of object that Matthew describes, one that moves and stops, even a comet or planet, would be considered evil.  It is also likely that a supernova would be ominous because of its unpredictability.  The only sort of astrology practiced by the Zoroastrian priesthood was most primitive, even when compared to what the Babylonians had done in the &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enuma_anu_enlil"&gt;Enuma Anu Enlil&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.  Thus, it would be inappropriate to call the Magi 'astrologers' as they would not have cast horoscopes or done judicial astrology.  In other words, Matthew's Magi were not the right people to be interpreting the heavens.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is a major wrench in the works for all attempts to identify the Star because any configuration of planets would be baleful to the magi, and similarly for comets or most anything else considered to be the Star of Bethlehem.  Later Zoroastrians would adopt Greco-Indian astrology and make their own innovations, such as the great conjunction system of world history, but all this is centuries too late.  This also goes against the historicity of Matthew's tale since his choice of astrologically-minded people is incorrect.  However, since it is more likely Matthew was trying to evoke the magi of Daniel, it is likely why he chose the term; his purpose is literary, not historical, as future posts will demonstrate.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-2270170847164826091?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/2270170847164826091/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=2270170847164826091' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/2270170847164826091'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/2270170847164826091'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/12/no-star-of-bethlehem-thus-spake.html' title='No Star of Bethlehem--Thus Spake Zarathustra'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-2548213436563601126</id><published>2010-11-23T22:54:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-11-23T23:13:39.985-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Humor'/><title type='text'>A Savior is Born!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;Tis the Season, and how about a reason &lt;a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40270486/ns/business-consumer_news/"&gt;to be jolly&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;For on Christmas Night, to us a Savior is born!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/TOy3Qr0eouI/AAAAAAAAAD8/jtWpzlhMBeE/s400/ss-101115-shopping-06.grid-8x2.jpg" style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 267px;" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5543006738654864098" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Oh, sorry about the typo.  A Saver is born.  And isn't that really what Christmas is all about?  Take it from the Wise Men.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/TOy3mkm6h2I/AAAAAAAAAEE/XHIFNVt3m18/s400/ss-101115-shopping-05.grid-7x2.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5543007114676045666" style="display: block; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: auto; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 314px; " /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Strangely enough, I'm still betting the manger has a PS3.  After all, when I think baby Jesus, I think &lt;a href="http://www.gamesradar.com/f/game-names-corrected-by-spell-check/a-2008060510229942037"&gt;Castlevania&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Features/2008/06/Game%20names%20corrected/Finished/060508_gamenamescorrected_obs01--article_image.jpg"&gt;&lt;img src="http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Features/2008/06/Game%20names%20corrected/Finished/060508_gamenamescorrected_obs01--article_image.jpg" border="0" alt="" style="display: block; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: auto; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 350px; height: 493px; " /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-2548213436563601126?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/2548213436563601126/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=2548213436563601126' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/2548213436563601126'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/2548213436563601126'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/11/savior-is-born.html' title='A Savior is Born!'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/TOy3Qr0eouI/AAAAAAAAAD8/jtWpzlhMBeE/s72-c/ss-101115-shopping-06.grid-8x2.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-5323968859727556108</id><published>2010-11-12T12:18:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2010-12-02T15:14:24.440-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Star of Bethlehem'/><title type='text'>The SoB as a Comet?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/02/recent-stellar-developments.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;More than a year ago&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt; I came across the webpage of a researcher on the Star of Bethlehem (SoB), James Sentell.  I had written a bit in response to him, and we had some email exchanges.  In particular I found fault in his efforts to explain the language of Matthew using the work of a Jesuit astronomer, Gustav Teres.  This source was a problem because he said things that were just linguistically absurd, such as the verb &lt;i&gt;proago&lt;/i&gt; in Matt 2:9 was in the aorist imperfect tense, a conflation to two different past tenses that is logically impossible.  After some back and forth, he had shut down his website because he was helping in create a planetarium show in Europe and had signed off the rights to his work.  By the looks of it he had been researching the subject for some time and had been in contact with various researchers concerning the Star.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;Recently it appears that Mr. Sentell has started &lt;a href="http://www.bethlehemstarcomet.com/TSoB_FINAL.htm"&gt;a new website on the subject&lt;/a&gt; (he also &lt;a href="http://bethlehemstarcomet.com/REDSIRIUS.htm"&gt;on another page&lt;/a&gt; discusses the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius#Red_controversy"&gt;Red Sirius mystery&lt;/a&gt;), and he emailed me for two things.  One was permission to quote a couple of paragraphs from my S&amp;amp;T article (okay by me) and if I wanted to make any critical remarks in some sort of open forum.  I wish to make my comments here.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;While there are plenty of things I will want to discuss, for this post I will stick to one point, and in a later post will examine other aspects of the issue and why I disagree with Mr. Sentell's conclusions.  I think it is worth-while to do this back-and-forth with this particular person because he has shown to be both welcoming of criticism and responsive.  For example, though he still sights Teres in his bibliography, he does not rely on his linguistic "arguments".  As such, I know I am talking to a person, not a wall or dogma.  Some of his rhetoric may be a bit cutting, but this is the Internet; without drama, all we would have is E-bay and porn.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;In this post, I want to talk about the idea that the Star of Bethlehem could have been a comet.  There are probably three major contenders for the Star that use physical or astronomical theories: the planetary conjunction/alignment hypothesis; the nova/supernova hypothesis, and the comet hypothesis.  There are various versions of each of these ideas.  There are several conjunctions that some scholar has pointed to (Saturn-Jupiter in 7 BCE; Jupiter-Venus in 3/2 BCE; etc.), and novae have been speculated to have been in both this galaxy and the next major one.  There are also multiple comets that researchers have considered: Halley's in 12 BCE, and two different ones recorded by the Chinese in 5 and 4 BCE.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;Of the three major hypotheses, the comet has probably been the least popular because there are many, many examples of where comets are interpreted by ancient peoples as evil omens.  Such a notion is not foreign even in the modern era.  This is becomes difficult why it would make eastern sages come to worship a foreign king all due to an object that gave them "great joy" (Matt 2:10).  All those that consider the comet hypothesis know this, but they speculate that perhaps the eastern Magi would have interpreted things differently in this one case.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;I have seen two ways this benevolent interpreted has been argued, and one I have only seen with Mr. Sentell.  His is this: the records of comets as evil come primarily from Greco-Roman sources, but the Magi were Zoroastrians.  In their theology, light was good, darkness evil, so a shining object in the sky would have been a positive sign.  What are his sources for this argument that Zoroastrians would have seen comets as positive signs?  Nothing.  He cited neither primary nor secondary sources to back up his claim, and not a single piece of scholarship is noted to support him.  It is a speculation based on his understanding of the philosophy of Zoroastrian priesthood, a religion that he is cannot be said to have expert knowledge--he's no &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Boyce"&gt;Mary Boyce&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;Since Sentell provides no evidence for the proposition it is extremely vulnerable to contrary evidence.  Already it is problematic that virtually all ancient sources take a negative view that comets are evil signs (see Carl Sagan, &lt;i&gt;Comet&lt;/i&gt;, pp. 15-25).  Sagan provides source not just from the West, but also from China and the Americas, so this view is hardly restricted to Greeks and Romans.  We may also add to this Jewish literature which also had comets as omens (Josephus, Jewish War 6.288-91, 314-5; Sibylline Oracles 3.796-800).  Moreover, much of the astrological traditions of the west were absorbed from eastern astronomers and astrologers--the Babylonians.  That the Greeks would have had such a negative view of comets while the Chaldaeans thought differently would be most odd.  Moreover, Babylonian texts such as the &lt;i&gt;Enuma Anu Enlil&lt;/i&gt; and MUL.APIN and reports to Middle Eastern kings &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia; "&gt;depict&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia; "&gt; comets as evil signs.  Later traditions in the same part of the world are also negative; in Islam, a comet was called &lt;i&gt;al-Kaid&lt;/i&gt;, which means "the one that bring rancor".  Again, such a context, even without any direct evidence, would make Sentell's assumptions worthless.  His claim becomes extraordinarily, and thus requires extraordinary evidence.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;But in fact there is Zoroastrian evidence, and it doesn't bode well for Sentell.  &lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; "&gt;Bundahishn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; "&gt; 5 A.6-7 and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; "&gt;Yasnas&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; "&gt; 16.8; 68.8 show the same fear of comets as these other cultures had done.  In the first work, a comet named Mush Parig brings much fear and destruction&lt;/span&gt;; the &lt;i&gt;Yasnas&lt;/i&gt; (or &lt;i&gt;Yashnas&lt;/i&gt;) include prayers to counteract the evils of comets.   As such, the very same concept of what comets signify is found in this most important culture.  (See also Jivanji Jamshedji Modi, "An Account of Comets as given by Mahomedan Historians and as contained in the books of the Pishinigan or the Ancient Persians referred to by Abul Fazl", &lt;i&gt;Asiatic Papers&lt;/i&gt; 2 (1917): 101f.; &lt;i&gt;Encyclopedia Iranica&lt;/i&gt; 2.867)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;Even though we had every epistemic right to discount Sentell's speculation without further analysis, we see that he is completely falsified, and thus his stance that the comet would have been a good sign is unjustified.  Without a justification, that means all the other speculations concerning the comet, as well as his ephemeris for the comet of 5 BCE, fail to support his case that there was a Star of Bethlehem.  This does not disprove the other theories for the Star, but there is a similar flaw: what made the Magi think that nova or conjunction was a good sign and meant "king of the Jews"?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;However, as I mentioned, there is another method of justifying that comets could be seen as positive signs.  This attempt does rely on ancient records, so it is this superior attempt that should be considered (Sentell cites Humphreys for justifying a comet as the Star, but for some reason does not give his evidence or argument).  In the whole of the ancient Mediterranean, there are two examples of comets that were given a positive interpretation: the comet of 44 BCE at the funeral games of Julius Caesar, and the comet(s) of Mithridates VI Eupator.  I will deal with these cases in detail in my future book on the subject, but for now a few things should be said here.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;First, that we have a mere two examples that are positive out &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia; "&gt;of the dozens of cases &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia; "&gt;only demonstrates how stacked the deck is against the proposition--we can be very sure that a comet would be considered evil.  It would be a logical fallacy to say that because it was possible to interpret a comet as auspicious, then a certain comet was probably so interpreted.  Moreover, there are political forces at work that need to be considered.  For example, the comet of 44 BCE was actually interpreted differently by the parties in Rome.  Those sided with Octavian (later to become Caesar Augustus) said the comet was a positive sign, while his enemies interpreted it as evil and signifying the civil war to come.  In fact, the earliest sources that sided with Octavian said the object was a "star" and did not call it a comet.  (See Ramsey and Licht, &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Caesers-Funeral-American-Classical-Studies/dp/0788502743/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1289611426&amp;amp;sr=1-1"&gt;The Comet of 44 B.C. and Caesar's Funeral Games&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; for discussion.)  In other words, it became politically expedient to get the heavens on one's side, and this led to such a positive interpretation of the comet.  Similarly, Mithridates used the comet for propaganda purposes, b&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;ut as seen on his coins he coaxed the object in other images to control what it could mean (see Ramsey, "Mithridates, the Banner of Ch'ih-Yu, and the Comet Coin", &lt;i&gt;Harvard Studies in Classical Philology&lt;/i&gt; 99 (1999): 192-253).&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia; "&gt;Most importantly, these interpretations come &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia; "&gt;&lt;i&gt;post factum&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia; "&gt;, meaning they were seen as positive after the fact and by the side that needed it to be a positive sign. After all, Mithridates isn't going to let people think a comet seen at his ascension be interpreted that he is tyrant.  However, this cannot apply to a comet at Jesus' birth because the Magi would not have such a political impulse to make such a generally negative sign become that which told them of their own future savior.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;As such, from what context we have, comets are almost a certainly negative sign, and the very few times it is seen otherwise is when those in power needed the astrologers to interpret things differently.  We have no basis to justify seeing a comet as what would have made the Magi think that a wonderful Jewish king was to be born and was worthy of worship.  The only way to save the comet theory is to have actual evidence that the comet of 5 (or 12) BCE was seen in a positive fashion, such as it came with a favorable conjunction.  However, to do this requires then showing the conjunction would be so interpreted, and that is a problem all Star theories face.  It means that for any comet proponent for the Star, he or she must give a reason why the stars were telling eastern astrologers that a great king was to be born.  This means they end up relying on the conjunction hypotheses anyways, such as the the great conjunctions of 7 BCE (even Humphreys needs these conjunctions to make his theory stand).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;Sentell probably also realizes this to some degree, so he does try to justify why the sky was saying "Jewish King" to the Magi, but I save such arguments for a later time.  However, here is the problem that any Star proponent will have when justifying either a nova or a comet.  In order to get the message across that modern astronomers want, the theory will depend on how strong a case they can make for what the sky was "saying" to the Magi.  This means a theory can only be as strong as the supporting astrological considerations.  However, this work is mostly speculative, so it is initially not probable to be correct.  A speculation can be at best 50% likely to be true; if it is consistent with background knowledge such that there is nothing that initially excludes it (i.e. Julius Caesar got his shoulder wet while crossing the Rubicon), but without evidence there is nothing that can compel us to believe its truth.  So because so many of the conjunction theories and the like are full of speculations, this has a combined effect of making the theory improbable.  Then applying it to another event improbably seen to be good (i.e. a comet), this makes the theory even worse.  The only way to make the comet theory possible is if an astrological theory can be made that is well-based on the evidence and so strong it outdoes the initial improbability of a comet as being the Star.  (Basically, this is Bayes' Theorem in action.  On its use in this sort of context, see Richard Carrier, "Bayes's Theorem for Beginners" in Hoffmann, &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Sources-Jesus-Tradition-Separating-History/dp/1616141891/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;qid=1289611400&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;Sources of the Jesus Tradition&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;As such, if Star scholars want to save their theories, they need to focus on making a robust astrological theory, one strong enough to overcome the bias against a comet as a positive sign.  Moreover, it must be more than possible, but it has to be shown to be probable, meaning it must be realized on primary records and minimizes speculation.  If this can be done will be investigated at another time.  Needless to say, no one has done this.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;One last thing I would like to consider: the use of Origen.  The third century bishop in his &lt;i&gt;Contra Celsum&lt;/i&gt; 1.59-60 compared the Star to a comet and is the most popular ancient source used to say the Star was some sort of natural phenomenon.  A few things need to be realized:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;1.  Origen did not say that Star was a comet.  His comparison was concerning its newness and significance.  In the same sentence, Origen also compared the Star to a meteor.  Obviously he could not mean that the Star was a comet &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; a meteor, but he shows their commonality in appearance and how they can be interpreted.  Also, both comets and meteors were believed by most in the ancient world to be atmospheric phenomena.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;2. Origen says that there was no prophecy that said a comet would appear to signal the birth of a new king.  That means that there probably was no one in the ancient world believing that comets did predict such things since Origen was so widely-read, and such a record would have been in his favor.  His statement as well as the inability of any modern scholar to find a record that said something along the lines of "comet = new king" makes a strong argument that there was no such belief or prophecy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;3. In other writings, Origen shows that be believed the Star was supernatural.  In his &lt;i&gt;Homily on Numbers&lt;/i&gt; 18.3-4 he says the Star came down to the house of the Holy Family much like how the dove came upon Jesus at his baptism by John.  This means that Origen did NOT think the Star was a comet, and instead thought it was a miraculous object.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;These considerations take the wind out of the sails of those who use Origen to support a nova or comet hypothesis.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-5323968859727556108?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/5323968859727556108/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=5323968859727556108' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5323968859727556108'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5323968859727556108'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/11/sob-as-comet.html' title='The SoB as a Comet?'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-6114879013167429555</id><published>2010-11-12T12:01:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-12-14T14:55:33.423-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Star of Bethlehem'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='New Testament'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Astronomy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Index'/><title type='text'>Star of Bethlehem Index</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;Because of my physics and astronomy education, along with my own studies of Jewish/Christian history and writing, I have focused a lot on the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_Bethlehem"&gt;Star of Bethlehem&lt;/a&gt; as told in the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 2.  Because of numerous posts I have made on the subject, and plans for more, I am creating an index.  With time, hopefully this can be organized enough to be useful to a reader not deeply familiar with the subject.  I also want to have an easy reference page for when I respond to others that research this topic as well but with whom I disagree.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2007/08/my-name-in-lights-er-print.html"&gt;Publishing in S&amp;amp;T Announcement&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2007/10/star-of-bethlehem-and-those-that-still.html"&gt;Responses to S&amp;amp;T Article&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/10/star-returns-to-sky-telescope.html"&gt;Dr. Michael Molnar Responds&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/11/when-star-steers-you-wrong-response-to.html"&gt;Response to Molnar&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Dialog with James C. Sentell:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/02/recent-stellar-developments.html"&gt;First Contact w&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;ith James C. Sentell&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/11/sob-as-comet.html"&gt;Comments on Sentell's Hypothesis I&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/12/no-star-of-bethlehem-thus-spake.html"&gt;Comments on Sentell's Hypothesis II&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;There is also a lot of art and tradition attached t&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;o the Star:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.archive.org/details/star_of_bethlehem"&gt;The First Star of Bethlehem in Cinema&lt;/a&gt; (from &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-713757877709080945#"&gt;La &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-713757877709080945#" style="font-style: italic; "&gt;Vie et la Passion du Christ&lt;/a&gt;, 1903&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Adoration_magi_Pio_Christiano_Inv31459.jpg"&gt;4th Century Sarcophagus of the Adoration of the Magi with Star&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Magi_(1).jpg"&gt;6th Century Mosaic of the Magi Following the Star&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "&gt;Many traditions of the Star and Magi are told by Richard Trexler, &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Journey-Magi-Richard-C-Trexler/dp/0691011265/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1289621705&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;The Journey of the Magi&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Edward_Burne-Jones_Star_of_Bethlehem.jpg/300px-Edward_Burne-Jones_Star_of_Bethlehem.jpg" style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 300px; height: 201px;" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;In the future, I plan to write something that belongs on a shelf rather than a blog, but one must wait for that project to be completed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-6114879013167429555?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/6114879013167429555/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=6114879013167429555' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/6114879013167429555'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/6114879013167429555'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/11/star-of-bethlehem-index.html' title='Star of Bethlehem Index'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-5726869062490017560</id><published>2010-11-09T18:18:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2010-11-09T18:37:18.283-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Astronomy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><title type='text'>Happy Birthday, Carl Sagan</title><content type='html'>Today is the 76th birthday of famed astronomer and science enthusiast Carl Sagan, who untimely died in 1996.  Fortunately, his message of the wonders of the sciences as well as general rationality and skepticism continue on.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now, officially Carl Sagan Day is supposed to be on the Saturday before his birthday, so this makes my post "late" as it were.  Nonetheless,  now it just a good a time to celebrate as any other.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here is a bit from his series &lt;i&gt;Cosmos&lt;/i&gt; with a few updates by the uploader:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;object width="480" height="385"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/TD3ultpVVcc?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/TD3ultpVVcc?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;An appreciate video:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;object width="640" height="385"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/S2aE-iWNqlc?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/S2aE-iWNqlc?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;A version of his "Dragon in the Garage" story from &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle-Dark/dp/0345409469/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;qid=1289355764&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;The Demon-Haunted World&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;object width="640" height="385"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/jJRy3Kl_z5E?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/jJRy3Kl_z5E?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And quite interesting, according to CNN, today was a big day for Carl on twitter:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;object width="640" height="385"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/TYiqkUsE5po?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/TYiqkUsE5po?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Finally, a personal statement:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Carl, how unfortunate that I only came to know of your efforts later in my life and more unfortunately that it was after you had passed.  Nonetheless, your love of the subject that I have also ventured into is more than simply appreciated by me and others.  Truly you helped create a spiritualism based in the real world, from a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot"&gt;simple picture of the Earth&lt;/a&gt; from a distance of six billion kilometers to the entire &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.hulu.com/cosmos"&gt;Cosmos&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.hulu.com/cosmos"&gt; TV series&lt;/a&gt;.  The  joy and beauty in this world and the idea that simply knowing what the world really is is an overwhelming experience.  My spirit can soar far higher than any superstition would allow.  I am amazed by a clear night sky, and all the more so because there have been those like you who have only only discovered what lies beyond, but also have brought that knowledge to more than a cadre of academics.  While the Buddha is said to have brought wisdom from beyond into this world, Carl helped bring in knowledge and wisdom from an even greater beyond to us all.  Thank you, and I hope your memory lasts for ages and the shoes that you have left from your journey continue to be filled.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Happy Carl Sagan Day!  Now, let's get ready for Newton-mas!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-5726869062490017560?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/5726869062490017560/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=5726869062490017560' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5726869062490017560'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5726869062490017560'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/11/happy-birthday-carl-sagan.html' title='Happy Birthday, Carl Sagan'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-1383312581190532333</id><published>2010-10-31T19:11:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2010-10-31T19:54:37.631-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Travel'/><title type='text'>The DC Rally</title><content type='html'>I had the good fortune to have the time to go to Washington DC for the Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear under the coordination of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, of the Daily Show and Colbert Report respectively.  The event was simply awesome.  The music was good, the weather was perfect, and the event overall was a success.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Estimates for the rally are around 215,000 people according to a CBS-funded areal survey.  Being there, I can definitely say it was huge, and over 100,000 in number.  The density was impressive, but then again there were places selling food, such as friend candy.  If this was a normal meal, I don't think all could have fitted onto the National Mall.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The event proved to be well-organized, from the stage performances, video montages, interaction between live performer and video recorded actor, not to mention the set-up of the jumbo-trons, speakers (very good for me since I was about 2/3rds the way in the crowd from the stage), bathrooms, and getting people to the right places.  Heck, getting Cat Stevens and Ozzy Osborne on the same stage was impressive enough.  And the Mythbusters trying to measure the immensity of the crowd by finding out how long a "wave" at the front would move to the back and the seismological effect of everyone jumping at the same time was awesome.  When they were announced as next on stage, my friend Adam and I knew it was worth the cost of coming in the first place.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And the point of the rally?  I didn't care if there was no political point because I pretty much got to go to a 3-hour Daily Show.  But there was a point, and one I think reasonably well made.  There has been so much hyperbole in the news and politics that it becomes impossible to try to be reasonable in what should be done in any given situation.  If you think your opponent is Hitler or a witch, then it is hard to compromise on something.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Unfortunately, some didn't quite get that message.  &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/10/the_rally_for_tone.php"&gt;PZ Myers&lt;/a&gt; certainly missed it, but perhaps because he admittedly didn't watch the whole thing, or perhaps even the most important parts.  Also, I think PZ is reading into the rally because he sees similarities with some of the accommodationist camp to stop being so aggressive.  In reality, Steward et. al. did not attack being deep-felt or impassioned about one's opinions, but the dialog that is simply loud and obnoxious rather than reasoned.  For example, just because some Muslims attacked the US in 2001 does not mean all Muslims are terrorists.  Even if you think there are problems with Islam or believe it has evil parts (which I do think), you don't need to say all Muslims are evil to make a point.  Also, PZ is off when he says Stewart called out those on the right for their hyperbole/propaganda, but didn't name-names or particulars with liberals.  In reality, the rally masters didn't use names from either side, but instead did something better: a montage of the crazy.  Colbert's montage of the divisive dialog from various TV sources showed the problem.  This included clips from Glen Beck and Rill O'Reilly of Fox News (conservatives) and Keith Olbermann and Ed Schultz of MSNBC (liberals).  So in reality, Stewart and Colbert point to the very examples of the sorts of things that are making the discourse in America all the more difficult.  So when PZ says &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 24px; "&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Once again, we have someone bravely standing up and telling the people on their own side to stop being dicks, while being vague on the names and specifics.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;he is completely wrong.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Moreover, the rally was about the irrationality of what there is to worry about in the world.  Again, a montage of clips from various media sources showed the size of the "fear market", such as the world destroyed by CERN, to terrorists, to sandals, to killer bees, to communists, to sandals, etc.  There were also clips of various persons using blanket statements about atheists, Muslims, fundamentalist Christians, and so on, all amazingly stupid and useless in making a sensible understanding of what to do or think.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The rally was also to highlight how the media and politics was so unlike the real world.  They gave a wonderful example.  They showed car traffic in DC with everyone on the road making little compromises of who merges next, and how even though they are almost of every possible opinion of things they can get on through their lives through little compromises.  So when someone rides the curb to get past the rest and cut off others, he is rare and scorned.  Most importantly, he is not hired as an analyst.  Instead, on cable TV, you don't call upon the smartest, best-informed person but the loud-mouth that brings in ratings.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So, was the rally a success?  The crowd size suggests that it was more-so than Glen Beck's Rally to Restore Honor which brought in around 87,000.  At more than twice the size, does that mean twice the impact?  I doubt it since the message of "be sensible" is not as powerful a rallying cry as "take back America" (from what?).  I really doubt there will be any changes for the upcoming election cycle, but perhaps the 2012 election period will be affected by the promotion of the values proclaimed at this rally.  Maybe there will be another in the future?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Before wrapping up, I must also comment about the signs made by the various attendees.  There was much creativity there.  Perhaps the best I saw had a picture of Sigmund Freud and the text "So America, tell me about your mother."  Brilliant.  Others include "Thomas Jefferson is my co-pilot"; "Meh"; "Pancakes"; and "Answer this: How much profit is Sharpe making from all of this?"&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-1383312581190532333?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/1383312581190532333/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=1383312581190532333' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/1383312581190532333'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/1383312581190532333'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/10/dc-rally.html' title='The DC Rally'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-6970238916342164202</id><published>2010-09-19T18:50:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-09-19T19:12:23.106-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Humor'/><title type='text'>Scholarly Comedy</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;Where are the best places to get a good laugh?  Comedians obviously make a buck out of being funny, but sometimes the non-professional is great as well.  Of course, what one may find funny is a matter of context and taste.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;For example, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/DarkMatter2525"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;DarkMatter2525&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt; on YouTube has made a good number of entertaining atheist comedy videos which also have insights into religiosity.  Funny, vulgar (very NSFW), and blasphemous.  Perfect!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;And even scholars can make good jokes on occasion.  Here is an example I just came across.  Stephen C. Carlson, "The Accommodations of Joseph and Mary in Bethlehem: Καταλυμα in Luke 2.7," &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;New Testament Studies&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt; 56 (2010): 326-42 writes about the meaning of the term often translated as "inn" when talking about the birth of Jesus in Luke 2.  He refers to a 16th century scholar named &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_S%C3%A1nchez_de_las_Brozas"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;Francisco &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_S%C3%A1nchez_de_las_Brozas"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 17px; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_S%C3%A1nchez_de_las_Brozas"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;á&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_S%C3%A1nchez_de_las_Brozas"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;nch&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_S%C3%A1nchez_de_las_Brozas"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt;ez de las Brozas&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" &gt; or El Brocense who argued that the stable scene from nativity plays was not a proper representation of what the Gospels depict.  He was called before the Spanish Inquisition, no &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia; "&gt;laughing matter.  He was reprimanded rather than imprisoned in the end, though he would later be called before the Inquisition but died before things got well underway.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia; "&gt;In the end, Carlson argued that the term in its context meant that Mary and Joseph didn't have enough space for a new-born in the place they were staying, apparently a home of Joseph.  I am not persuaded by the argument, especially supposing &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia; "&gt;Joseph had a home in Bethlehem that he just left 40 days after getting there and leaving for Nazareth.  Nonetheless, Carlson notes how scholarship has come a long way since the 16th century: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: georgia; "&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;Now, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/Spanish_Inquisition_(Monty_Python).jpg" style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 315px; height: 236px;" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;That that made it into a paper shows either that editors have a sense of humor or things are going terribly wrong in theological circles.  Oh, I mean other than there not actually being a God.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-6970238916342164202?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/6970238916342164202/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=6970238916342164202' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/6970238916342164202'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/6970238916342164202'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/09/scholarly-comedy.html' title='Scholarly Comedy'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-5748747073253291999</id><published>2010-08-11T01:30:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-11T02:13:13.463-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Medicine'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><title type='text'>Medical Facepalm of Biblical Portions</title><content type='html'>I like modern medicine.  Considering things like c-sections allowed me to exist in the first place, vaccines have protected me from a large number of diseases, there is much to like.  Some of the stuff out there could use work, in part because it is not scientific medicine, and sometimes anti-scientific.  &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapeutic_touch"&gt;Therapeutic touch&lt;/a&gt; is one example because the only test of efficacy showed it to be worthless yet this is completely ignored by promoters, including the nurses that use it to this day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One would hope that the peer-reviewed literature would filter out most of the things that cannot be supported by the evidence.  But not always.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Via &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/08/but_what_if_she_had_vapors_or.php"&gt;PZ&lt;/a&gt; (see also &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2010/08/biblical_fever_influenza_youre.php"&gt;Aetiology&lt;/a&gt;), I have come across an article in &lt;a href="http://www.virologyj.com/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Virology Journal&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; which talks about the &lt;a href="http://www.virologyj.com/content/7/1/169"&gt;oldest cases of influenza in recorded history&lt;/a&gt;.  Interesting subject and worthy of study.  What's the source?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The New Testament.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now we have gone from science to credulity.  It's given away that the authors are not critical of their source when they say "The Bible describes the case of a woman with high fever cured by our Lord Jesus Christ."  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Our Lord&lt;/span&gt; Jesus Christ?  That is devotional language, not a secular, scholarly way of describing the situation.  It also doesn't help that the authors do not cite any biblical scholarship concerning their claims about the authenticity of the story or that Luke was a physician.  Also by citing all the Synoptic Gospels, the authors of this "study" seem to think this gives three testimonies of the same story.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's nip this in the bud.  The Gospels Mark, Matthew, and Luke are not independent witnesses.  Matthew and Luke derive most of their material from Mark, and Mark was written after 70 CE, perhaps much later.  The tradition that the names attached to the Gospels wrote them is late; it was until the mid-2nd century that these works were anonymous.  That means that Mark did not write Mark and Luke did not write Luke.  The physician Luke comes from Colossians 4:14, but even this letter of Paul is probably inauthentic.  The claim that the testimony of the woman in Luke 4:38-39 comes from a doctor is thus wrong on multiple levels: we don't know who wrote this, it is derived from G. Mark, and there is nothing about a doctor Luke that is dependable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So let's go to the original story, that in Mark 1:29-33.  Both before and after this episode with the feverish woman there are healings of those with demonic possessions.  So it is in the middle of this, the beginning of Jesus' ministry, that the authors of this study wish to say they have some authentic medical report.  We have to ignore already the supernatural surrounding the tale in just one case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How did Mark come to this knowledge?  Usually biblical scholars figure that many or most of these stories come from an oral tradition, so what we have in Mark is at best hearsay.  So we are trying to do a diagnosis based on the telephone game &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;at best&lt;/span&gt;!  Many scholars have more recently moved to find a great number of these stories in the Gospels to be literary creations, and the healing stories are a part of that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Healing stories are also very common in the ancient Mediterranean world.  The god Asclepius was a well-known deity that supposedly cured the sick.  Isthtar/Innanna, a most ancient goddess in Babylon/Sumeria, was said to cure the sick in devotional literature.  Even the emperor Vespasian was said to have healed people (Dio, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Roman History&lt;/span&gt; 66.2).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other words, we only have the word of Mark for this story, and supposing he did not create the story itself, at best we have decades-old hearsay, hearsay that even the Gospel of John didn't find useful to report.  Heck, eve the letters of Peter didn't find this important to mention, and the woman is supposed to be Peter's mother-in-law!  (Oh, but those epistles of Peter are fakes, too.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I find laughable is the part where the authors are supposed to declare their competing interests.  Sure, I don't think they were pain to do this study (who would?), but the whole thing exists because of the credulity of the authors.  I guess this got past peer-review because no one at &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Virology Journal&lt;/span&gt; does biblical studies.  Who knows about the Synoptic Problem amongst the medical profession after all?  Nonetheless, there should have been some critical thought here.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-5748747073253291999?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/5748747073253291999/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=5748747073253291999' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5748747073253291999'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5748747073253291999'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/08/medical-facepalm-of-biblical-portions.html' title='Medical Facepalm of Biblical Portions'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-8961741998921211648</id><published>2010-08-07T18:53:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-07T19:10:39.520-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Travel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Justice'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Humor'/><title type='text'>Crime Doesn't Pay</title><content type='html'>I will be going to the airport soon, and this not long after coming from a trans-Atlantic round-trip a couple of weeks ago.  I don't mind plane rides other than it's impossible to lay back far enough to sleep well.  At least that's the case in coach.  A few hundred more dollars, maybe I'll enjoy a higher class seat.  As long as I have a book and an occasional drink, all if fine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what kills me is waiting for getting on the plane.  Obviously between connecting flights you need some layover time or potentially miss a flight.  On my most recent round-trip, I had a seven hour layover in Chicago.  I knew that going in, but the plane had mechanical problems.  This added another two hours or so of waiting.  This waiting period became longer than the actual flight!  You can't read anything that long without your eyes burning out.  And with $9 crappy beer in a plastic cup, it's hard to make the time go well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It almost feels criminal, and in fact I think it is.  The airports are literally killing.  Killing time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The shear level of chronocide is astounding.  There has to be a better way.  Unfortunately, with the complexity of the machines involved and the large numbers of people to operate and who need to travel, it's hard to get past the problem.  Other than everyone gets flying cars or teleporters, I don't know what can solve this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What can make mass transit more efficient?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can think of one thing: make chronocide criminal.  That is, if you have to wait longer for a plane than you should, that should be compensated financially.  Perhaps this will give an incentive to airlines to find ways of minimizing delays.  Inter-airline competition obviously has not eliminated such delays, probably since all airlines are willing to accept delays and so creates a plateau of wasted time no one can avoid.  But if chronocide becomes too expensive for airports and airlines, maybe that could change it.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-8961741998921211648?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/8961741998921211648/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=8961741998921211648' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8961741998921211648'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8961741998921211648'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/08/crime-doesnt-pay.html' title='Crime Doesn&apos;t Pay'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-6492082053440164802</id><published>2010-06-29T19:05:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-11T03:09:11.192-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics'/><title type='text'>Give me Liberty, and Give me a Break</title><content type='html'>Libertarianism: great idea, or &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;greatest&lt;/span&gt; idea?  It has a romantic quality to it, with an emphasis on individuality and the belief that each of us working it out for ourselves will make us all better.  This latter belief is perhaps best captured in the concept of free market economics.  The more the government is willing to get out of the way, the better.  Let enterprising individuals do things, from starting a small business to teaching our children.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And like most romantic ideas, it can be rather naive.  For example, there was the recent spat when Rand Paul, son of Ron Paul (and named after Ayn Rand?), stated that the government should not force restaurants to not segregate due to race.  The journalist John Stossel even stated that the free market would have taken care of racist businesses.  After all, he (nor Paul) would want to do business in a racist institution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now just think about that claim.  The free market would get rid of racism, at least overt, public racism in business.  If that is the case, then why is it that businesses had racist policies for centuries until the 1960s when the federal government finally stepped in to make this illegal?  How naive is it to say that that is what the free market would have done when it failed to do so given 100 years after the American civil war.  Perhaps there were racist businesses because most people were actually racist?  Take for example the situation in 1930s Germany.  If you were a restaurant that served both Caucasian Germans and Jews, the white customers would be appalled to have to eat at the same place as those terrible people (horrible in their minds).  Antisemitism has a long history, and what helped make it uncouth was not free markets.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact, free markets could very well have allowed racism and antisemitism to last.  After all, if you are continuously divided from those you see as inferior, there will be nothing to deter you in that belief.  Moreover, if you frequent places that have such racist policies, you are most likely to absorb this and pass it off to others, including your children.  Only by some force breaking the cycle can it be possible to get away from racism.  And once broken, then racism withers and no one wants to support it.  The reason Stossel or Paul would not go to such a restaurant today is because they live after a time when it was socially acceptable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And that is the problem with libertarianism.  It pretends things about societies that are simply wrong.  For one thing, people are not simply rational agents that constantly figure out what is best for them.  Heck, we make the wrong decisions all the time, even when the correct information is given.  This is also a problem for economists that blindly and dogmatically follow Adam Smith's invisible hand.  Obviously Smith had insights, but his model was ultimately flawed and professional economists need to admit this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unfortunately, the naivete of libertarian economics is common in academia even when the evidence is there, staring them in the faces.  Check out this special from Nova: &lt;a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/money/"&gt;Mind Over Money&lt;/a&gt;.  When professors at the University of Chicago can be as dogmatic as seen there, no wonder a skewed version of reality reaches the public at large.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Though I like some of the propositions of the libertarians, especially when it comes to minimizing government intrusions into private matters and the maximization of freedom, there needs to be some realizations about how people and groups of people actually behave.  Rand Paul has even stated that if &lt;a href="http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposner/2654/rand_paul%3A_we_wouldn%E2%80%99t_need_laws_if_everyone_were_christian"&gt;everyone were good Christians there would be no need for laws&lt;/a&gt;.  After all, it's not like there have ever been Christians committing crimes or starting wars or abusing children or...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We need to get real here.  The loose goal of having as much individual freedom as possible is worthy of admiration, but the laissez-faire approach to governement is a failed strategy.  Sure politicians can be complete doofuses, mob mentiality is not the antidote.  Heck, mob mentality can lead politicians to do stupid things, such as send us to war.  There is obviously a middle ground between a libertarianism as close to anarchy as possible and hyper-communism.  I don't know yet where I will fall in this political spectrum (I often vote Democrat, but not always), but I know that these extremes, especially the popular libertarianism today of Beck, Palin, Stossel, Paul, and others is all too often naive and even hypocritical (i.e. the government preventing abortions, monitoring for illegal immigrants, going to war offensively, making the US a Christian nation).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When it comes to spectra, this one is perhaps useful in &lt;a href="http://www.leftycartoons.com/the-24-types-of-libertarian/"&gt;categorizing libertarians&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/types_of_libertarian1.png"&gt;&lt;img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 418px; height: 626px;" src="http://www.leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/types_of_libertarian1.png" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Indeed, if you have an overly-simplistic political stance, prepare to look silly.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-6492082053440164802?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/6492082053440164802/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=6492082053440164802' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/6492082053440164802'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/6492082053440164802'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/06/give-me-liberty-and-give-me-break.html' title='Give me Liberty, and Give me a Break'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-6810942915970420004</id><published>2010-05-19T16:07:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-05-20T07:27:23.371-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Islam'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Muslim'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Censorship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Islamophobia'/><title type='text'>Happy M-Day--Drawing Muhammad</title><content type='html'>Today, May 20th, has "officially" been declared Everybody Draw Muhammad day.  The idea has been sparked because of the recent flare-up over the censorship at Comedy Central when the popular show  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;South Park &lt;/span&gt;wanted to depict the prophet of Islam or at least joke about the censorship of any depiction of him.  After a website posted a sort of death threat if the creators of the show actually revealed Muhammad, Comedy Central went crazy on censorship, bleeping out the very name of Muhammad... er, I mean *********, and bleeping out the monologue that gives the show a sense of morality, at least more so than, say, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Two and a Half Men&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is of course also in response to what had happened after the Danish cartoon incident a few years ago.  Even now those cartoonists have to worry about their very lives and have been attacked on multiple occasions.  So Comedy Central, after seeing what had happened before did not allow Trey and Matt to do what they wanted.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then again, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;South Park&lt;/span&gt; had already done this.  Back in 2001, ******** was featured in an episode.  As far as I know, no one was killed or attacked because of this.  Oh, and now Comedy Central has blocked that episode from being viewed on its associated websites.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All of this goes against an almost sacred doctrine in the West, that of Freedom of Speech.  By declaring "blasphemy" all of the sudden Islam and its founder are off limits.  Well, it's more than shouting.  It was in part because of riots, murders, and further threats of violence, all in the name of the religion of peace.    It's hypocritical if networks such as Comedy Central allow depictions of Jesus and Buddha, especially in a mocking fashion, but not Muhammad...oh, sorry, but not *********.  And yet in the very episode that was censored Jesus watches porn and Buddha does lines of coke.  If you didn't get the point of why they did these things, then you didn't really watch the episode.  Even with the censorship, the purpose is all too clear.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, to make up for the self-castration by censorship that major networks have done, it is up to regular folks to proudly depict a major religious figure.  Today we draw MUHAMMAD.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why do this?  Simply to insult?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps for some, this will be the case.  The recent videos of &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t"&gt;Thunderf00t&lt;/a&gt; on YouTube suggest that. However, I see a very important reason that is beyond petty blasphemies or mockeries.  If thousands stand up and do the thing that so many mobs complain about, the power of the mod will be undone.  If threats are made idol and anger begets more or what is undesired, the vehicle of violence will be ripped of its fuel and die on the side of the road.  Not all can be attacked, and with so many targets it will overwhelm those that decry free expression all that will happen is tails will go between legs and the stupidly proud mobsters will cower away.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Already the effect is felt.  &lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8691406.stm"&gt;Pakistan has banned access to Facebook&lt;/a&gt; because of a group promoting the depiction of the prophet.  An entire nation is supposed to be afraid of cartoons now?  They have to block one of the largest peer-2-peer networking sights in the world?  Well, perhaps once they find out that you can Google images of the prophet they will have to ban the Internet.  Yeah, I'm sure abandoning modern technology is the way to go forward and become a first-world nation.  With nukes.  (Crap.)&lt;br /&gt;(UPDATE: Now &lt;a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100520/ap_on_hi_te/as_pakistan_internet_crackdown"&gt;YouTube has been blocked in Pakistan!&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Shall I draw Muhammad and potential put my livelihood at risk?  No.  Not because of fear of violence.  Rather, I just suck at art.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Instead, how about letting real artists show us the prophet.  In fact, how about Muslims drawing Muhammad?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Muhammad-Majmac-al-tawarikh-1.jpg/410px-Muhammad-Majmac-al-tawarikh-1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 410px; height: 599px;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Muhammad-Majmac-al-tawarikh-1.jpg/410px-Muhammad-Majmac-al-tawarikh-1.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;This is from a 15th century leaflet, depicting the prophet being called upon by the angel Gabriel to speak of the word of Allah.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How could a Muslim possibly depict the prophet?  Isn't that against the faith?  Is this kosher?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Note: the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad"&gt;Wikipedia page on the subject&lt;/a&gt; is very good, especially concerning the response on the editors of the site to those that wished to remove images of Muhammad on the "Depictions of Muhammad" page.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you turn to the Qur'an, there is nothing about not being allowed to draw a picture of the prophet.  It does not allow idolatry (Sura 21:52-4), similar to that found in Judaism and Christianity.  Yet in these religions there are plenty of depictions of Jesus, Moses, etc.  Occasionally there are puritans, such as, well, the Puritans that not only forbade the celebration of Christmas and birthdays, but even stain-glass windows in churches.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, even non-believers can appreciate the glories of medieval architecture in cathedrals.  The minsters of England, Notre Dame of Paris, and so on are beautiful in their own right, even if the religion itself has an ugly side.  Similarly, a mosque is marvelous when well-built, and the above piece of art is also masterful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet some Muslims would rather put this page to the torch.  In fact, many old Persian pieces of art showing Muhammad were destroyed in the middle of the last millennium.  As far as I am concerned, drawing Muhammad is not anti-religious; rather, it is both pro-free speech and pro-art.  Why not fill the world with the beautiful?  Why destroy that which was made with devotion, especially when it is devotion to your more glorified figures?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It may be the case that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;South Park&lt;/span&gt;'s Muhammad is not as masterful as others, but it is not revolting either.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/South_park_muhammad.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 262px; height: 252px;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/South_park_muhammad.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;A prophet that can shoot fire from his hands?  And has nice threads?  I'll sign up!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, but no, this is too much for some.  What possible basis can there be for this apparent displeasure with any drawn image of Muhammad?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since the problem in this case does not stem from the holy book, instead you must look to the traditional literature, the Hadith.  These are works that claim a basis in tradition going back to the early days of Islam.  And they are about a dime a dozen.  Not all hadiths are considered canonical, and historians doubt a better number of their contents.  Nonetheless, some of these are held in high regard by Muslim scholars, much like the Talmud in Judaism or the apostolic fathers in Catholicism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In one of these traditions, it is inappropriate to draw any living creature.  Some go so far to ban the painting of anything (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93,  Number 648; Sahih Muslim, 24, 5272)!  No art at all?  Well, that is much like the Taliban's policies, which include the complete removal of music from life.  But why on earth remove art from life?  From what I can tell, the theological idea is that it is boastful for the human to depict the world that Allah created and call what you had done your own creation.  In the first of the cited hadiths, Allah calls the artist unjust and challenges them to create the smallest of things.  And so, in the Hanafi school of law, a part of Sunni Islamic world, forbids all depictions of animals and humans.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What could be more anti-human than the walling off of humanities creativity in rendering the world around us.  These fundamentalist imams and their like which to starve us off of all the created world in order to focus on their deity and rituals.  This is the most strident stand against humanist values, deploring what abilities we have in order to shut out the very thing so worth exploring.  It is the death of the soul for the sake of "saving" it.  One may cut off a limb to avoid a more serious sickness, but this is a lobotomy as deep into the psyche as possible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But then why are the Muslims only crying about images of Muhammad when even pictures of people or animals is so terrible?  There is one reason that I can see, and that is when these complaints are made Westerners back down and cower to these demands.  That weakness has allowed the tyrannical misanthropy of cowards who could not possibly persuade by reason to cripple some of the most important rights in the democratic world.  Also, the prevention of depictions of Muhammad stave off criticisms of the religion he represents; if you fear to as much as draw him, do you really have the courage to spit at his beliefs or chide his philosophy?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is about power, and I for one shall not yield to such barbaric hatred of the human condition.  Not only shall I put up pictures of people and places, cattle and the cosmos, I shall put up the image of the prophet Muhammad and the various prophets sacred to the major religions of the world.  Not to insult, not to harass, but to empower the human spirit, to let it soar no matter what weights some philistine wants to place on its wings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The religion of Islam has done much that is vile, but I shall oppose it with the beautiful and of its own creation.  Let these fools who prefer medieval thinking to return to caves with their head in the desert sand.  Let them hide from the wonders of the universe and the minds that inhabit it, the free minds that will not be shackled by superstition and fear.  Let their timidity be writ large as their own symbols of religion destroy them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;LET THEM SEE MUHAMMAD&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Siyer-i_Nebi_158b.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 371px; height: 571px;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Siyer-i_Nebi_158b.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-6810942915970420004?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/6810942915970420004/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=6810942915970420004' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/6810942915970420004'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/6810942915970420004'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/05/happy-m-day-drawing-muhammad.html' title='Happy M-Day--Drawing Muhammad'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-1236603729775228350</id><published>2010-05-04T12:35:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-05-04T14:29:35.944-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christianity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>Liar, Liar, Faith on Fire</title><content type='html'>The news of the continuing Catholic priest sexual abuse scandal is rather unending and new facts about what certain figures did and did not do, what they knew and when they knew it, and what the current authorities are planning to do about these issues.  There is so much scandal here it makes Nixon look insignificant.  And the scale only increases and stories of abuse are found in most every continent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What kind of credibility can such an organization have when it comes to cases of morality and public policy?  When it comes right down to it, the Catholic hierarchy has proven they don't care about morals, but about their power.  One need only consider medieval history with its crusades and inquisitions to gain lands and break resistance against the authority of the Pope.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And of course, there is lying for power.  Recently, the Pope &lt;a href="http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/05/02/italy.pope.shroud/index.html"&gt;made a pilgrimage to the Shroud of Turin&lt;/a&gt;.  This is a well-demonstrated medieval fake, yet&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;He said that keeping up that hope is the message of the &lt;a href="http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Shroud_of_Turin"&gt;Shroud of Turin&lt;/a&gt;,  in which disciples see their sufferings "mirrored" in the suffering of  Christ, CNA reported.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The shroud is a message of hope, mirroring the suffering of Christ?  How is a known forgery, produced in order to bilk people of their money a symbol of hope?  It's a symbol of corruption and greed, and the Pope wishes to use it as a source of religious power.  He wants to use a lie, a proved lie at that, as justification for faith.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If your faith is dependent upon medieval lies, you have another thing coming.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then again, there is a long history of using lies to get people to believe what they want you to in the Christian tradition.  For example, Eusebius, a Christian historian in the fourth century, &lt;a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/NTcanon.html#6"&gt;believed that telling falsehood was good for the state&lt;/a&gt;.  Eusebius is also one to use forged documents for his points, such as letters from Jesus (&lt;i&gt;History of the Church&lt;/i&gt;, 1.13), and he may be the creator of the testimony of Jesus in Josephus (the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Testimonium Flavianum&lt;/span&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Apparently, that ninth commandment is not so unbreakable, at least in a long line of tradition by an organization that now tries its best to cover up the molestation of children by its priests, silenced by its bishops and cardinals, and now one of those cardinals is pope.  I guess when your system is this corrupt, veneration of false idols is hardly a problem.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-1236603729775228350?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/1236603729775228350/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=1236603729775228350' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/1236603729775228350'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/1236603729775228350'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/05/liar-liar-faith-on-fire.html' title='Liar, Liar, Faith on Fire'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-8840194696574891346</id><published>2010-03-09T17:28:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-03-11T09:10:34.918-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='New Testament'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>Paul and the Sayings of Jesus</title><content type='html'>Recently there has been a considerable smattering of arguments concerning the very existence of Jesus, mostly with a university professor of religion, &lt;a href="http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com/"&gt;James McGrath&lt;/a&gt;.  I have followed some of the back and forth in these battles between McGrath and &lt;a href="http://vridar.wordpress.com/"&gt;Neil Godfrey&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://tomverenna.wordpress.com/"&gt;Thomas Verenna&lt;/a&gt;.  I have preferred the latter's interactions, especially since he provides lots of good references in his posts.  However, one item in &lt;a href="http://vridar.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/more-explanation-required/"&gt;a comment&lt;/a&gt; on a post by Godfrey got me thinking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This concerns a passage in 1 Corinthians 7:10.  This is a statement concerning divorce amongst Christians converts, namely in Corinth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must  not separate from her husband. (NIV)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Note that the NIV is not necessarily the best translation, but it has some of the easiest prose to follow.  Nonetheless, the exact translation of the verse is not of concern.  The point is that Paul says that he has a commandment from the Lord concerning the nature of divorce.  This is taken as Paul referring to a teaching of Jesus, and so Paul must think Jesus was a person giving such advice.  The advice on divorce should have something to do with that found in the Gospels, namely in Mark 10.  There Jesus says that a man that divorces and marries another woman commits adultery, and similarly with the woman.  A similar sentiment is found in Matthew 5.  However, there the simple act of getting a divorce makes the woman an adulteress.  Also importantly, this is to be in contrast to Deuteronomy 24:1 which gives the ability to divorce.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, first note that if Matthew has the original saying of Jesus, it doesn't fit the Pauline version very well.  Paul does not say that the mere act of divorcing makes one party an adulterer.  In the very next verse&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her  husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Now the divorce can happen, but the woman can remarry only one person.  So, perhaps we should assume that the Markan version is the older and Matthew has made the condition stronger.  Also, Matthew is dependent on Mark, so this appears to be Matthew taking liberty with the text.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, Jesus in Mark does not simply say that he is the authority in this matter, and therefore you must listen to him.  Rather, Jesus quotes the Old Testament for the proclamation that divorce should not be done.  In particular Jesus uses Genesis to say that men and women were designed by God to join together and not be separated.  Further, Mark says that no man can separate man and woman.  This runs contrary to Paul's version as well; Paul allows there to be separation, but Mark says that no man can make this possible.  So Mark and Paul are not in agreement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, does Paul need to be saying that Jesus spoke this commandment in a historical time frame?  Paul often uses scripture to back up his position, and he may very well believe that his advice is based on his reading of the Old Testament.  For example, Malachi 2 gives a strong pronouncement from God against divorce, in particular saying he hates it.  The LXX of Malachi 2:16 says this was spoken by the lord (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;kurios&lt;/span&gt;), the same word used by Paul in 1 Cor 7:10.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So a pronouncement from Jesus in the flesh is not necessary for Paul to claim a commandment from on high about divorce.  This does not mean that Paul is not referring to Jesus; I only claim is that it is not a necessary conclusion.  On the other hand, what is probable?  Considering that Paul's understanding of what Jesus said is significantly different from what is recorded in the Gospels of Mark and Matthew, this gives no reason to think they refer to a recorded source by the Galilean prophet.  Further, Mark has Jesus make a scriptural argument, while Matthew uses the force of Jesus' say-so.  It looks like the situation is evolving from theological argument amongst the Christians to dictate by Jesus himself.  Jesus originally in Mark quotes scripture, and to use the maxim of Bultmann, who remembers the great man quoting somebody else?  Worse yet, Luke and John drop this teaching of Jesus; if it went back to the founder, why did Luke think it wasn't worth repeating?  He was using Mark, so apparently Luke doesn't have the same problem with divorce; can this really be the case if this is what the very Son of God actually said in history?  If instead the commandment was a determination from the Old Testament and revelation, perhaps then Luke's community didn't buy the scriptural argument; that makes a lot more sense than Luke denying the authority of God on earth!  If Mark and Paul are only making arguments based on their understanding of the Old Testament or their personal, subjective impressions of the religion, then Luke coming to a different conclusion makes plenty of sense.  This becomes significant evidence in favor of no oral tradition starting with the master.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let us also consider how this commandment of Jesus could have been passed around.  Suppose that Paul is in fact quoting his dead master.  This means that the authority of Jesus' statements are sufficient to make a matter settled.  This is similar for Matthew's Jesus, at least in this one case.  However, Mark's Jesus requires a scriptural argument.  How did Jesus get demoted from authoritative despot to exeget only to be bumped up again?  The historical situation in Mark 10 is unlikely since Pharisees were not running around beyond the Jordan.  This is desert land, not a place that needed priestly figures.  The context is very strange.  It is hard to say that this can go back to this historical situation.  Matthew also places this pronouncement in the Galilee, it seems, so the details of substance and location are amiss.  Very strange if this is a recollection.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, I have utilized the arguments of Early Doherty concerning this particular passage.  &lt;a href="http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/sil20arg.htm"&gt;This argument&lt;/a&gt; (#8) is that Paul can very well be claiming that his source is revelation by God/Jesus rather than an oral tradition.  This can also make sense of this passage as well as 1 Cor 9:14 which also says that the Lord commands those that preach the gospel must make a living by the gospel.  We should also take to heart what Paul says in Galatians 1:11-12 that says he received his gospel by revelation from Jesus himself; he specifically says that no man taught him these things.  This works against the notion that Paul learned about what Jesus said from other apostles, and instead he suggests that his information comes from revelation and scripture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, the phrase in Paul alone does not need to indicate that Paul is quoting a historical Jesus, and moreover Paul suggests he gained his knowledge about Jesus through revelation and scripture.  Without this latter consideration, the historicist stance explains the statement by Paul about as well as the mythicist, but the extra bit from Gal 1 suggests that the mythicist reading of 1 Cor 7 is not strained while the historicist position requires Paul to exaggerate his claims in Galatians.  McGrath often argues that the mythicists propose situations that are less probable and require more special pleading in readings of verses.  In this case, it seems that this is in fact true for the historicist camp.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note, this does not mean Jesus wasn't a historical figure just from this argument; it doesn't even establish probability in favor.  What it does do is demonstrate that one can justifiably read passages in Paul that some with to use to prove Paul knew a historical Jesus figure can be validly read without &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ad hoc&lt;/span&gt; assertions that fit in the mythicist paradigm.  In some ways, it actually fits better in the mythicist paradigm because of the statements in Gal 1.  Nonetheless, passages such as 1 Cor 7:10 cannot be used without further justification against the mythicist case.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-8840194696574891346?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/8840194696574891346/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=8840194696574891346' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8840194696574891346'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8840194696574891346'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/03/paul-and-sayings-of-jesus.html' title='Paul and the Sayings of Jesus'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-5801837116438678887</id><published>2010-03-07T09:19:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2010-03-07T09:28:50.398-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='CERN'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Woman'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><title type='text'>Women's Day at CERN</title><content type='html'>March 8th is international women's day, and the people at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN, the largest particle accelerator in the world, are celebrating.  This is a really worth while activity since women are underrepresented in the scientific community and inspiring events are one way to make science interesting for girls of all ages, especially the young ones.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Materials can be found &lt;a href="http://internationalwomensday.web.cern.ch/internationalwomensday/"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mein Schatz will be one of the people in the control room for one shift.  One of the activities was to have almost all the people in the control rooms be women, and I think the population will be ~80% or more women.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is not an activity to be done because somehow women are inferior and that is why they are low in the population; believe me, in my physics department most of the girls done a better job than me it seems.  These events are needed because social pressures make the world of math and science less appealing to the fairer sex.  Science is not just a man's job, and that is the point.  If such things can inspire girls, to let them know that there is nothing awkward about being a scientist, that is all that is needed for them to succeed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://internationalwomensday.web.cern.ch/internationalwomensday/"&gt;Go Women's Day!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-5801837116438678887?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/5801837116438678887/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=5801837116438678887' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5801837116438678887'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5801837116438678887'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/03/womens-day-at-cern.html' title='Women&apos;s Day at CERN'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-186039861980072631</id><published>2010-03-05T20:11:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-03-05T21:24:01.571-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion'/><title type='text'>Such Lovely Accommodation(ist)s</title><content type='html'>"Science and religion can be accommodated."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A common claim which you probably have heard.  Sure, there are plenty of examples from history where the two come into conflict.  Then again, there are plenty of examples of figures that did not see a conflict with their science and their faith.  That a person can believe in their religious dogma and scientific facts does not prove that the two ways of understanding the world are coherent with each other--people believe contradictory things all the time; when both have serious holds on the mind and heart of a person, then abandoning one even for the sake of removing cognitive dissonance becomes difficult to say the least.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An empirical study of the interaction between science and religion can only say so much.  After all, when one believes in both ways of knowing about the world, one often is compromised for the other.  Kepler certainly did great science in promoting the heliocentric model of the solar system, but his reading of the Bible had to accommodate his views of the arrangement of the heavens.  Newton was one of the greatest scientists of all time, but he also felt the need to have God intervene in the workings of the solar system (an interventionism abhorred by his contemporary Leibniz), a stance that later astronomers found to be unnecessary.  As famously said by Laplace concerning God and physics: "I have no need for that hypothesis."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Today, most scientists agree that God and religion has no place in determining science.  Figures such as Francis Collins and Kenneth Miller are both devout Christians, and both argue against including intelligent design into the scientific framework on biology.  They both actually believe in ID in some form, but not one that should be published in the peer-reviewed journals of biology.  Yet reason and science can be used to demonstrate the truths of theism to these intelligent figures.  Collins, for example, believes that scholarship does well in demonstrating the historicity of the acts and man of Jesus Christ, including the miracles.  Miller also believes in the Resurrection.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the oddity I see.  Both would agree that miracles are outside the bounds of science, but it seems they are out of bounds only if science dissuades one from believing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Take the recent example of a spat between &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/03/sins_of_omission.php"&gt;PZ Myers&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010/03/05/ken-miller-cant-win-p-z-and-i-gets-pwned/"&gt;Jerry Coyne&lt;/a&gt; with a &lt;a href="http://thephoenix.com/Boston/news/98030-ken-miller-just-cant-win/"&gt;newspaper article&lt;/a&gt; in which they were interviewed concerning Ken Miller.  The editorial choices on the part of the reporter and newspaper certainly deserve criticism; Myers and Coyne both had positive things to say about Miller, but that apparently didn't fit the narrative that the reporter wanted.  Such biasing in reporting becomes nigh on propaganda--cherry-picking the statements and facts and carrying not for contradictory statements or contexts fits the category.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I wish to focus on is a statement by Miller himself, supposing it was accurately reproduced by the reporter.  All reporters are liable to not quote a person exactly, and often nuance is something noted only after an article is printed.  A simple missing indefinite article could screw up the meaning of a statement.  But there doesn't seem to be much reason to suppose that is the case here.  The statement in question is this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="bodyText"&gt;But the cell biologist [Miller] also makes explicitly  scientific arguments: maintaining, for instance, that quantum  indeterminacy — the ultimately unpredictable outcome of physical events —  could allow God to intervene in subtle, undetectable ways.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This sort of sly intervention, he argues, is vital to the Creator’s project:  if God were to re-grow limbs for amputees, for instance — if God were to  perform the sort of miracles demanded by atheists as proof of his  existence — the consequences would be disastrous.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;“Suppose that it was common knowledge that if you were a righteous  person and of great faith and prayed deeply, all of a sudden, your limb  would grow back,” he says. “That would reduce God to a kind of  supranatural force . . . and by pushing the button labeled ‘prayer,’ you  could accomplish anything you wanted. What would that do to moral  independence?”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Are faith and science reconciled now?  Let's see if things stand up to scrutiny.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Apparently, God can only intervene in such a way that his influence must be undetectable, such as at the quantum level.  This seems rather parallel to parapsychologists who argue that the properties of the paranormal is that the harder you look for it, the less it exists.  The effect must always somehow remain at the statistical noise level.  Miller seems to also want to make God statistical noise.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just because something is at the quantum realm does not means the effects are indeterminable.  For example, physicists with the best equipment in the world (namely at CERN) cannot detect a gluon; they cannot detect a top quark or a Higgs boson.  However, we can detect the predicted effects of these particles.  A Higgs, for example, should decay in a particular way which can be detected with devices at CERN, such as the ATLAS and CMS detectors.  We may have no direct detection of these exotic particles, but we can have indirect methods.  Further, a statistical analysis is needed to demonstrate that we are not simply sifting through the noise; a confidence in findings is necessary.  Just because the causes of particles cannot be individually determined does not negate the predictability of effects which can be recorded.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even if God or any force in the universe acted at the quantum level, even if a particular action cannot be determined, such as an electron caused to move in a slightly different angle, the overarching effect should be discoverable.  The effect can be investigated if one supposes God has a goal in mind; if God is trying to bring about a certain state of affairs, and such a circumstances would not develop with out intervention, then one can test against the null hypothesis.  Only if the goals of God are not definable or the effects too small to be detectable can God remain hidden.  But if the goals of God are not definable, when what does anyone mean by the very term "God"?  If any state of affairs is compatible with the desires of this being, then there is no understanding of what God is.  If a physicist declared the existence of a particle, but could not describe any of its properties then he made no prediction at all.  If Miller or any theologian cannot say what properties God has or what circumstances God prefers, then there is no concept to be understood.  Unless God can be distinguished between no-God, the null hypothesis, then there is no "God" to talk about.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Besides, having God interact at the quantum level does not undo the fact that God is breaking the laws of physics.  Just because a violation is not noticeable does not mean it is not a violation.  Just because a rape victim does not report the incident does not mean her rights were not violated.  Similarly, if God is going to the subatomic realm to give or take momentum from a particle, even if undetectable, this is still a violation of conservation of momentum; any intervention is a change of the natural state of things.  Victor Stenger, a physicist himself, makes this point in his book &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The New Atheism&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ultimately, Miller wants his God to perform miracles, but he wants those miracles to be scientifically safe.  He is trying to make a proposition that sounds scientific but breaks the cardinal rule of the very philosophy of science: falsifiability.  By protecting the interventions of God from such scrutiny he is in the same boat as all pseudo-scientists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is also apparent in his excuse for why God doesn't regrow the limbs of amputees.  If such a God existed that would regrow limbs and does not, that's a disproved God claim.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, Miller gives a more philosophical reason why God does not answer prayers for the delimbed.  If God did answer prayers such as these, this would take away our moral independence, God now just some supranatural force.  Perhaps this makes more sense if prayers could get you anything you wanted, but that is Miller's re-characterization of the problem.  The issue that God will do anything at request, but that God does &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;nothing&lt;/span&gt; upon request.  Every time prayer is properly tested it if found to be no more helpful that nothing, and perhaps even worse than nothing.  The problem isn't God doesn't answer all prayers, it's that God doesn't answer prayers any better than chance.  Like George Carlin suggested, you might as well pray to Joe Pesci because it's just as likely to happen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moreover, Miller does believe that God &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;is&lt;/span&gt; a supranatural force, one that acts at the quantum level.  Miller thus contradicts himself in no time flat.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is more hypocritical is that the God Miller believes in has done supernatural actions in the past.  Jesus of the New Testament does cure the sick, the blind, and so on.  Did their moral independence dry up, or does their self-determination not matter?  What about the very unnatural return of Jesus from the dead?  And as for loosing moral independence, if you believe that you will be resurrected from the dead to go to heaven simply by believing in the Nicene Creed (remember, Miller is a Roman Catholic), does not that belief remove the will to help the sick if you think they will be fixed up anyways after the Second Coming?  All Miller can do is make the miracles happen later instead of now.  And what happens to moral independence in heaven, again which Mill believes in?  Will there be suffering and limbless souls as well?  This stance is simply a cop-out for why prayers fails.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This should also be discomforting to the religious person that does have faith in prayer.  Many people &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;do&lt;/span&gt; think God answers prayers, and the New Testament makes clear that faith in God does bring about healing (cf. Matt 15, esp. v. 28).  So, like all accommodationists, Miller has to discredit some aspect of the faith in order to reconcile it will his philosophy.  Miller does not have the faith the size of a mustard seed, but he does have the rationalization of a mountain.  Perhaps this is why the strongly religious and irreligious are not moved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ultimately, I think the entire stance of Miller can be made much less verbose without the loose of understanding: "God works in mysterious ways."  To me, this is unfortunately equivalent to "I have no idea what's goin' on."  "God" becomes just a word with psychological baggage for the adherent.  Most people come to believe in the mysterious for not-so-smart reasons, and then those beliefs are rationalized as much as possible.  Eventually the cognitive dissonance becomes unbearable to many, including one listening to these rationalizations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is not to say that there is no argument to be made for the existence of God.  Miller and others bring up the fine-tuning of the constants of the universe for life.  It is a scientific argument and one that requires research; it is more than simple assertion.  Even if unpersuasive, such as argument is a million times better than the ad hoc and post hoc reasons given to reconcile the way one sees how the world works and the way we want to believe the world works.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this test case, the ideas of science and religion are not so easily reconciled.  It seems similar to the rationalizations of Pierre d'Ailly in trying to defend his Christian astrology.  Bizarre arguments, such as the stars themselves have transmitted their interactions to the astrologers so that the methods are not so random in reality, are the bread and butter of desperate attempts to justify what has no real good justification.  If the will to believe is strong enough, it can overcome cognitive dissonance; however, it cannot make it go away, and that is why Miller &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;really&lt;/span&gt; can't win.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-186039861980072631?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/186039861980072631/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=186039861980072631' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/186039861980072631'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/186039861980072631'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/03/such-lovely-accommodationists.html' title='Such Lovely Accommodation(ist)s'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-5584032210044760834</id><published>2010-02-06T15:07:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2010-02-09T10:32:05.429-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Humor'/><title type='text'>Holy Silly Jokes, Batman!</title><content type='html'>People have a lot of free time when they produce a way to create your own dialogue in an old comic book.  But then again, how can you resist trying when &lt;a href="http://www.batmancomic.info/"&gt;all the hard work is done for you&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I couldn't.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/S3GqFGWVLVI/AAAAAAAAADs/ih7qP1wfgec/s1600-h/20100206160653_4b6df60dcacf1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 310px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/S3GqFGWVLVI/AAAAAAAAADs/ih7qP1wfgec/s400/20100206160653_4b6df60dcacf1.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5436313229793242450" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dare I bring up Rick James?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-5584032210044760834?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/5584032210044760834/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=5584032210044760834' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5584032210044760834'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5584032210044760834'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2010/02/holy-silly-jokes-batman.html' title='Holy Silly Jokes, Batman!'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/S3GqFGWVLVI/AAAAAAAAADs/ih7qP1wfgec/s72-c/20100206160653_4b6df60dcacf1.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-3375386563773002633</id><published>2009-12-15T06:32:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2009-12-15T06:33:32.216-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Travel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vacation'/><title type='text'>Deutchland!</title><content type='html'>I'm off again to see the girl I love, who is now only two flights away.  If all goes well, in less than 24 hours I can feel happy, not to mention not be crowded on an airplane.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-3375386563773002633?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/3375386563773002633/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=3375386563773002633' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/3375386563773002633'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/3375386563773002633'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/12/deutchland.html' title='Deutchland!'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-237931252720096792</id><published>2009-12-12T10:03:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2009-12-13T09:30:43.580-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Purpose'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Atheism'/><title type='text'>The Sublunar Armstrong</title><content type='html'>Many have become familiar with the work of a religious scholar named Karen Armstrong, a former nun as well who studied at Oxford though not receiving a doctorate in her field of interest.  She has written widely on the subject of the history of major religions, especially highlighting the spiritual aspects of the faiths.  Most popular is probably her &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;A History of God&lt;/span&gt;, but it is her most recent statements and her book, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Case of God&lt;/span&gt;, that sparks this post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Armstrong has tried to save religion both from the conservatives of the faiths as well as the "New Atheists", which includes usually the figures of Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, Hitchens, along with Vic Stenger and PZ Myers.  She must claim that religion is not what it is for the vast majority of people in the United States and much of the Islamic world, where sciences such as evolution are denied, where people are abused for not conforming to scriptures--the lessening of rights for homosexuals, including death as could happen in Uganda, or death for apostasy in some Islamic corners--but that religious faith is something beyond this world.  Her theology is more sophisticated than that attacked by Dawkins and company.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What does she actually believe though?  Well, this is the real problem because her beliefs are rather vacuous.  The spiritual is quite subjective for her, such that the reality of God or gods is not a requirement for her faith.  Now, that sounds like weirded-out atheism to me, when the existence of gods is not needed for belief in God.  God is a symbol of things transcendent to us, and because it is beyond our understanding we cannot say anything about God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, if nothing can be said of God, then what does it mean to believe in God?  Saying anything about what God is or what he/she/it wants and what happens to us because of such beings would certainly undo this stance.  In reality, the position Armstrong seems to take is an attempt to make sure her theology cannot be criticized--there is nothing to critique, as there is nothing at all!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recently, a &lt;a href="http://www.alternet.org/belief/144394/do_atheists_have_god_all_wrong/?page=entire"&gt;great critique&lt;/a&gt; by Troy Jollimore, an associate professor of philosophy at California State, Chico, has pretty much laid her work to waste.  By wanting to take away all attributed to God, including existence, but still finding the subjective nature as valid as anything else, she undercuts herself.  To me, it looks as if the whole effort is a defense mechanism, trying to protect that special feeling she gets when she thinks about God.  Even a meaningless word or statement can be powerful to a person, and protecting the idea, the feeling, of God is her mission.  It is not about the facts of nature or deep philosophy, but the will to believe.  Armstrong only has rhetoric and feels powerful, as demonstrated by a reviewer from NPR, Susan Jane Gilman, but there is no real depth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even religious scholars seem to scoff at her insinuations, and not simply from the conservative wing.  Robert M. Price, a former evangelical, now an atheist-Christian and biblical scholar, simply cannot stand her, as he has made clear to me; and R. Joseph Hoffman, another New Testament scholar, &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://rjosephhoffmann.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/487/"&gt;finds her arguments&lt;/a&gt; as little more than cliche.  Armstrong, in trying to make religion something new, seems to have dropped everything that made it worth while, all for some new-agey product.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems Armstrong is the religious homeopath--the less things you believe in when it comes to religion, the stronger the faith.  No matter what is coherent or intelligible, for God is beyond all such things.  But with such soaring rhetoric, there is nothing to latch upon, no being that is there, no essence other than shear desire.  Armstrong, by her want of transendence, has left the wonders of what can be, which should be upsetting to someone of a Buddhist stance.  The self-indulgent narcissism is something that will leave you in Samsara; Nirvana cannot be a state of hoped-for desire, but to be beyond such desires.  That must include the desires of transcendence which cannot be articulated.  Otherwise, you are stuck with the illusion of reality, that which the Buddha warned against.  Armstrong has attached herself to that which is not anything at all, and that is worse than at least those that believe in things that can be seen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's compare this to another Armstrong or two.  There is the biking-sensation, Lance Armstrong, overcoming both the competition and mortality to become something we admire.  And how could we forget the Armstrong that was truly super-lunar?  With our hopes and dreams of becoming more than just a species trapped on the surface of a spinning rock, we truly went beyond this world to touch another and understand our place in it.  One day we will repeat this feat on the Moon again, and later to Mars and perhaps beyond.  This is growth of the spirit, in the capacity of humankind that we can see.  As the plaque on the lunar surface says: We came in peace for all mankind.  Not bad, minus the sexist language.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Understanding who we are through the sciences has led humanity to an amazing position.  We know that we have a history of 13.7 billion years from the fires of the Big Bang to the collection of dust and gas to form the Sun and the Earth.  We have a four billion year history of life on this world, and each of us living today comes from an unbroken chain of the winners of nature, those that succeeded in making it to the next generation.  We know that we are composed forged matter from stellar furnaces.  We are children of the stars!  This is all objectively known to be true, not simply a feeling or a desire.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We need no "deepity", to use the phrase from Dan Dennett.  In fact, he has given a wonderful lecture of this subject recently:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="295" width="480"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/D_9w8JougLQ&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;rel=0"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/D_9w8JougLQ&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="295" width="480"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="340" width="560"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/D_9w8JougLQ&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;rel=0"&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note: Dan is the Man!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-237931252720096792?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/237931252720096792/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=237931252720096792' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/237931252720096792'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/237931252720096792'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/12/sublunar-armstrong.html' title='The Sublunar Armstrong'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-9176988468239468775</id><published>2009-12-08T15:49:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-12-08T16:01:08.741-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Purpose'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Atheism'/><title type='text'>Seeing is Believing</title><content type='html'>Often I hear someone mention a line from the letters of St. Paul, namely Romans 1:20&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made.&lt;/blockquote&gt;That is, the ways of God are manifest in all the things of nature.  Open your eyes and you will see the ways of the Lord.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet, I think it is important to remember how open things are to interpretation.  For example, if signs from God are visible in nature, what is the message from this?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/02/article-1259744120670-076A94F4000005DC-299125_636x300.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 408px; height: 192px;" src="http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/02/article-1259744120670-076A94F4000005DC-299125_636x300.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps one will say that this is just a random formation of birds, not a deliberate insult to humans who have randomly take the middle finger to be an insult.  If that is so, then doesn't that apply to all things?  We see messages in the noise of existence and place purpose there--see the effects of pareidolia for example.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps instead it is better to make a purposeful noise in this universe rather than trying to find someone else's, especially if they are rude.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-9176988468239468775?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/9176988468239468775/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=9176988468239468775' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/9176988468239468775'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/9176988468239468775'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/12/seeing-is-believing.html' title='Seeing is Believing'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-975212829381942699</id><published>2009-12-05T13:05:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-12-05T13:13:22.166-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science Fiction'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><title type='text'>The Advent</title><content type='html'>Christmas time is fast approaching, and the old story is being told again, along with the celebrations with reindeer, Santa Claus, and of course the Nativity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But myths have a way of changing with time to better reflect the culture's values.  And sometimes the stories change just for the heck of it:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://cache-foo-01.gawkerassets.com/gawker/assets/images/8/2009/11/500x_il_fullxfull.21508469.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 285px;" src="http://cache-foo-01.gawkerassets.com/gawker/assets/images/8/2009/11/500x_il_fullxfull.21508469.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would guess that Jabba would be King Herod.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, enjoy hearing the stories of the birth of Jesus.  But there is a lot more...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BtqUSG7RCA0/SxA9pGIguDI/AAAAAAAAAhs/t4BBu5ISlxI/s1600/spoiler+jesus+dies.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 319px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BtqUSG7RCA0/SxA9pGIguDI/AAAAAAAAAhs/t4BBu5ISlxI/s1600/spoiler+jesus+dies.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-975212829381942699?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/975212829381942699/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=975212829381942699' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/975212829381942699'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/975212829381942699'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/12/advent.html' title='The Advent'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BtqUSG7RCA0/SxA9pGIguDI/AAAAAAAAAhs/t4BBu5ISlxI/s72-c/spoiler+jesus+dies.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-1795901301989142806</id><published>2009-12-04T07:34:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-12-04T07:36:06.617-08:00</updated><title type='text'>A Day in the Life</title><content type='html'>Today I'm thinking that I should be 25.  I'm not sure why I feel that way.  Since it's a feeling then it will probably change.  Maybe I will feel different in about a year.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-1795901301989142806?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/1795901301989142806/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=1795901301989142806' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/1795901301989142806'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/1795901301989142806'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/12/day-in-life.html' title='A Day in the Life'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-4375324866997980535</id><published>2009-11-01T07:02:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-12-02T11:12:22.677-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Way of the Master'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Creationism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Morality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hitler'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ray Comfort'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>What do you call someone who lies?  Ray Comfort</title><content type='html'>As many know, notorious Ray "Banana Man" Comfort has come out with his version of Darwin's classic &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Origin of Species&lt;/span&gt; since it is in public domain after 150 years of existence.  The primary advertised difference between most versions of the book and Comfort's is the inclusion of an introduction that tries to say that "Darwinism" is a false religion, and all of the creationist canards that have become familiar to those that read the works or talk to those that are believers in creationism, especially the young earth variety (YEC for short).  By calling Darwin a racist, a misogynist, and the philosophical influence to Nazi Germany and the Holocaust, Comfort's introduction is both a long &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ad hominem&lt;/span&gt; as well as scientifically dubious.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Previously I&lt;a href="http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/03/thrid-reich-and-holocaust-by-darwin-or.html"&gt; had written on the subject of Nazism and Darwinian evolution&lt;/a&gt; in response to the movie &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Expelled&lt;/span&gt;.  I noted that Darwin's book had been banned in Germany, that Hitler was himself not an atheist or "Darwinist", but instead a Catholic creationist.  In other words, Comfort is absolutely wrong about the connection between Darwin and Hitler, and it is painful to keep hearing that Hitler was an atheist and "evolutionist" when it is so demonstrably wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I have learned something else that is quite upsetting to any critical mind.  Comfort has said that he wants his readers to read past his introduction and read Darwin's book, which Comfort had made easy for the reader.  However, as I had suspected, it is an abridged work.  So when Comfort claims that there is no evidence for evolution, he is correct because &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;he edited out the evidence&lt;/span&gt;!  This has been noted by &lt;a href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/10/30/how-creationist-origin-distorts-darwin.html"&gt;Eugenie Scott&lt;/a&gt;: chapters about biogeography, one of the strongest pieces of evidence in Darwin's day and today for common decent with modification, as well as chapters on embryology, morphology, and classification, are missing, as well as Darwin answering some of the objections to his theory, such as concerning transitional forms.  Scott does not say if Darwin's response to the evolution of the eye is intact, but part of that passage is a favorite for creationist quote-mines, including Ray Comfort (see &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Nothing Created Everything&lt;/span&gt;, p. 18).  One can view Comfort's book online, and the part about the eye evolving in Darwin's book is intact; however, in the introduction Comfort does a massive quote-mining operation (from a physicist, no less) to "prove" the eye could not have evolved (which the author does not say, but instead says the eye &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;evolved&lt;/span&gt;!) rather than, say, read about the evolution of the eye in Dawkins' &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Climbing Mount Improbable &lt;/span&gt;(1996), Land's and  Nilsson's  &lt;i&gt;Animal Eyes&lt;/i&gt; (2002), or more recently in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Science&lt;/span&gt; a paper by Fernald and Russel (2006).  The 1994 paper by Nilsson and Pleger showing a pessimistic calculation that the eye could have evolved in a few million years (in ~364,ooo generations).  See an nicely condensed version of these results &lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB301.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB921_1.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What Comfort has tried to do is leave Darwin's thesis with the appearance of a few hundred pages of speculation, when in reality he came up with this theory of natural selection and published on it 20 years later all the time in between collecting more evidence.  Darwin also delayed publication due to his fears of religious upheaval, but nonetheless Darwin also continued to reinforce his ideas with evidence from a diverse number of fields.  By editing out these chapters, as well as being behind the times on the evidence for evolution (by, say, 150 years), Comfort shows himself to be not simply ignorant, but a deceiver.  Selectively removing some of the most important chapters from Darwin's book cannot be accounted for except by conscious dishonesty.  After all, one should not say "look at the evidence" and then hide it away to "prove" there is no evidence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ray, that is why you were awarded by the Golden Crocoduck this year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="344" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/aAXDUofIAzM&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/aAXDUofIAzM&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="344" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here is a bit more from another intellectually honest YouTuber:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="344" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/QCNftnJZX1Y&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/QCNftnJZX1Y&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="344" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So Ray, what do you call someone who lies?  Did I hear "A liar"?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-4375324866997980535?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/4375324866997980535/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=4375324866997980535' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/4375324866997980535'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/4375324866997980535'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/11/what-do-you-can-someone-who-lies-ray.html' title='What do you call someone who lies?  Ray Comfort'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-8486964575140200270</id><published>2009-10-31T19:43:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-10-31T20:29:34.622-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science Fiction'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Movie'/><title type='text'>The Monster</title><content type='html'>Out of shear appropriateness, I decided to watch some of the classic horror movies from Universal Studies in the 1930s, namely those of the most famous movie monsters, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Dracula&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Frankenstein&lt;/span&gt;.  I wish to focus more on the latter, namely because it is the less supernatural and had the greatest intersection with science.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Bride of Frankenstein &lt;/span&gt;(1935), the sequel to the first, a character is introduced known as Dr. Pretorius, who becomes the quintessential mad scientist--white lab coat, fairly long white and unkempt hair, maniacal laughter, and of course little sense of morals with murderous desire.  Along with beakers, henchmen, and crazy electrical equipment, the stereotype was complete.  Such mad scientists would become a staple in American horror films, especially low budget films (the Ed Wood film &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Bride of the Monster&lt;/span&gt; with Bela Lugosi comes to mind).  Of course, Dr. Frankenstein fits into this archetype as well, a scientist that tries to play god.  Ultimately, the plans of these crazed men are defeated and the scientist destroyed, often by their own creation.  They reap what they sow.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most importantly, the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Frankenstein&lt;/span&gt; films have the common theme that there are things that humans should not explore and should not know.  This is hardly isolated to the horror genre, since it is also apparent in, say, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Jurassic Park&lt;/span&gt;.  However, when one crosses the ocean, things change.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Instead of American monsters, who are often created by men and defeated by the people or folk wisdom (i.e. Van Helsing fighting off Dracula with folk remedies), and creating an antagonism between science and society or God, let us look to the king of the monsters: Godzilla.  This creature is created not by some wilful act a mad scientist but by a military that had used atomic weapons on Japanese cities and tested them in order to possibly use them on the USSR or other nations.  The monster is a product of accident and foolishness.  Ultimately, the creature is defeated, not by the military, but by science.  Dr. Serizawa in his own elaborate laboratory, discovers a secret power in oxygen.  However, he tells no one of this "oxygen destroyer" expect his fiancee because he has not yet discovered a constructive use for it.  In its current form, it is an awesome power, as terrifying as the bomb itself.  Reluctantly, the good doctor cannot stand what Godzilla had done to Tokyo and what it continue to do until it was stopped.  Crafting his weapon, Serizawa dives down to where the monster is to be found in Tokyo Bay, uses the weapon to kill Godzilla, and then commits suicide to guarantee that no one can learn how to have this weapon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Japan, the scientist is not mad, but is noble, moral, and uses his powers for the good of all.  While Dr. Frankenstein discovers a color beyond violet to create life in order to have a society of slaves, Dr. Serizawa discovers a power for the good of all and kills himself to avoid its possible devastation on the world.  Could there not be a stronger contrast?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, in some later Godzilla movies, the mad scientist plays a role, such as in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Godzilla vs. Biollante&lt;/span&gt; where a scientist creates a monster out of Godzilla cells, plant cells, and the spirit of his daughter through DNA (?) because plants have psychic powers (???).  However, his intentions are not malicious and it is another scientific effort, the creation of cells that will suck the power out of Godzilla, that is a major focus.  The true mad scientist stereotype isn't really here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The point of this contrast is this: in some contexts, the scientist is seen as treading where they do not belong into the territory of the divine; however, in other stories, the scientist is the hero and even kills a god-like creature.  This contrast comes across most strongly to me between American and Japanese culture.  Similarly, robots in American cinema often has a menacing role (i.e. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Terminator&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Matrix&lt;/span&gt;) but the opposite in Japanese film and television &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;(i.e. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Gundam, Astro Boy&lt;/span&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why is this?  Perhaps the American culture with a general distrust of authority poo-poos the scientist because they are elitist and think they know better than others when they lack what most consider common sense and morality.  In Japan, with so much focus on the honor of being an engineer or scientist, this may be a possible reason for the positive role that scientists have in their entertainment products.  It is science that saves the day.  Religiosity also has a role in this, since Americans are very religious overall and many claim that morality and social cohesion comes from on high, so treading on that is blasphemous.  Japan is more secular, but the relation between the old belief systems and the new ways of thinking I am not familiar enough to say anything.  However, the differences are striking, and one must wonder if the effects of society on the movies is reciprocal.  In other words, if the movies and TV series paint a different picture of science and scientists, will that change the ways of the society?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps that is, so maybe shows like &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;House&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Big Bang Theory&lt;/span&gt; can change this.  It is certainly worth considering.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-8486964575140200270?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/8486964575140200270/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=8486964575140200270' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8486964575140200270'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8486964575140200270'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/10/monster.html' title='The Monster'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-5413991486859518655</id><published>2009-09-30T10:17:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-09-30T10:29:45.495-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion'/><title type='text'>Blasphempy Day</title><content type='html'>Though the news has gotten around, I should do my bit to participate and let it be known that September 30th is to be a day of sacrilege.  On this day in 2005, the infamous Danish cartoons were published, eventually inciting hatred, protests, and violence in the Islamic world because the cartoons depicted the prophet Muhammad is a negative light.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The event is also in protest to actions by the United Nations allowing religion a free ride in the world of speech, namely because of Islamic nations trying to make their beliefs insulated from criticism.  Further, Ireland has passed law to make blasphemy a crime, so this is hardly a one-religion problem.  All beliefs should be subject to criticism, especially when they propose things demonstrably wrong and all the worse when harmful.  When some area because free from critical thought, it is degrading to being human.  It's degrading to religion itself, because if it needs to be protected it must be a most pitiful institution.  I don't think AIG gained reverence when it received bailout money; why should religious institutions be seen differently?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am certainly a critic of religion, both in an academic as well as less-than academic manner.  If such beliefs are actually correct, they should be able to handle the hardest hits any pathetic human can through at the mantel of gods.  Or are the gods just clay idols?  What is someone's faith if it can only survive by protectionism and twisting facts and truths?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus, I am dismissive of the dogmas of institutions, and I think that the reprehensible actions of such attitudes and organizations speak for themselves.  If child-molesting priests are defensible because they are "men of God", don't expect me to accept such lunacy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And in the spirit of the challenge issued by the Rational Response Squad some time ago, I deny the Holy Spirit.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-5413991486859518655?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/5413991486859518655/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=5413991486859518655' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5413991486859518655'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5413991486859518655'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/09/blasphempy-day.html' title='Blasphempy Day'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-5292174439490912193</id><published>2009-08-21T00:16:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-31T01:06:52.001-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Travel'/><title type='text'>Back at CERN</title><content type='html'>Well, I have decided to cross over the ocean again and come to CERN where they hope to get started up in November.  I have been working with the ATLAS group at my university, particularly with some of the optical electronics that will next to the beam of ions traveling through at nearly the speed of light.  The plan is that CERN will begin late this year, starting at about half power, move up in energy, start accelerating hydrogen first and then later lead ions, and finally (by 2011) reach full power.  This gives time to test everything and let the users get a handle on the machine while also getting some data.  Once it does start, it will blow Fermilab out of the water when it comes to power, but it will be some time until enough statistics can be gathered to rival the Tevatron.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Until then, there is work to be done.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-5292174439490912193?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/5292174439490912193/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=5292174439490912193' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5292174439490912193'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5292174439490912193'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/08/back-at-cern.html' title='Back at CERN'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-7112287592013006893</id><published>2009-07-20T18:25:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-20T18:29:08.387-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Astronomy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science Fiction'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Movie'/><title type='text'>Moon</title><content type='html'>Speaking of the anniversary, I was able to see the movie &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Moon&lt;/span&gt;, which was an amazing bit of SciFi.  I don't want to give away much, considering how much effort the director took in making the movie unfold the way it did, but it deals with a single person living on the Moon for the sake of harvesting helium for fusion reactors on the Earth.  The plot is heavy, but the way it came off was brilliant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It has been in the theaters for a long while now, so showings are slowly disappearing.  I recommend seeing it sooner than later.  And how about in two days when the solar eclipse happens?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-7112287592013006893?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/7112287592013006893/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=7112287592013006893' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/7112287592013006893'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/7112287592013006893'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/07/moon.html' title='Moon'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-4652591226841877196</id><published>2009-07-20T05:12:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-20T18:31:23.900-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Astronomy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>We Chose to Go</title><content type='html'>Forty years ago today (Sergeant Pepper taught the band to play)...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No, forty years ago today, we landed on the Moon, the nearest natural satellite to the Earth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="480" height="295"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/mZ_mTgkGSZk&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/mZ_mTgkGSZk&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="295"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/HCt1BwWE2gA&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/HCt1BwWE2gA&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And amazingly, today we can still view where the Apollo 14 astronauts &lt;a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/07/17/apollo-landing-sites-imaged-by-lro/"&gt;first took their steps&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2009/07/lro_apollo14site.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 430px; height: 272px;" src="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2009/07/lro_apollo14site.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One day, perhaps in my lifetime, similar video and pictures will be seen, but on the surface of Mars.  Maybe we &lt;a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090720/ap_on_sc/us_apollo_astronauts"&gt;need to listen to those that went boldly where no one had gone before&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-4652591226841877196?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/4652591226841877196/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=4652591226841877196' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/4652591226841877196'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/4652591226841877196'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/07/forty-years-ago-today-sargent-pepper.html' title='We Chose to Go'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-309321391286485258</id><published>2009-05-15T11:00:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-06T21:44:54.919-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><title type='text'>Fiat Vita!</title><content type='html'>A recent &lt;a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v459/n7244/full/nature08013.html"&gt;article in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Nature&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; has just blown me away.  Apparently, scientists at the University of Manchester have been able to produce &lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;ribonucleotides in the lab under pre-biotic conditions.  That means that the building blocks of RNA, a building block of DNA, can be produced in the chemistry and conditions of Earth before life began.  This is even bigger than the Urey-Miller experiment in the 1950s, not only because the chemistry more accurately represents the early Earth, but also because this was a major hurdle to the RNA world hypothesis, that life began with self-replicating RNA molecules.  See the summary &lt;a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090513/full/news.2009.471.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm only a small bit weary because it is said articles in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Nature&lt;/span&gt; have a tendency to be wrong because the magazine is so prestigious that scientists feel inclined to extend the results of their experiments beyond what the data allows.  However, this seems to be a bit more direct.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, this means that this is a new piece of evidence that strongly indicates that the Earth had the chemistry to allow life to originate on the planet without outside sources, be that panspermia or divine intervention.  It's studies like this that make me wish I took more biology.  This is simply awesome.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-309321391286485258?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/309321391286485258/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=309321391286485258' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/309321391286485258'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/309321391286485258'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/05/let-there-be-life.html' title='Fiat Vita!'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-8570903788472661416</id><published>2009-05-13T13:46:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-05-14T16:44:03.260-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nazism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fox News'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>Republican "History"</title><content type='html'>I don't watch too much TV, in part by not having a TV and also because I prefer much of what I can get through the Internet.  At least then I can choose what I want to see, not have to wait long, minimize commercials, and check for accuracy if I am trying to get information.  If I had watched certain TV networks, I would probably be way off kilter from reality, something I prefer to know.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Too bad Fox News and certain Republicans don't hold to that philosophy.  Here are some recent examples with video and commentary by TV figures and myself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's start with the ever-incredibly wrong Michelle Bachmann (R-MN).  Previously I noted that she didn't know or care to know squat about global warming and CO2, but apparently her ignorance isn't limited to science.  History is also a weakness for her.  Here are some excerpts lifted by Keith Olbermann:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/L1by2dXyDIk&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/L1by2dXyDIk&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc1kvcf4w-M"&gt;Confirming Video&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These facts are easily accessible by anyone with the ability to type into Google.  Hell, anyone with their high school history book!  I remember learning about this &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot-Hawley_Act"&gt;act under Hoover&lt;/a&gt; back in 10th grade.  One would think that if you became a major politician you would at least know the history of the country and its decisions.  But not Miss Bachmann.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moving onto certain "news" outlets, Bill O'Reilly has been a staunch defender of "enhanced interrogation techniques" (i.e. torture), but had to run through the history department at Fox News to see if President Obama, himself a scholar of law, was correct that former British Prime Minister, Winston Churchill, resisted the urges to torture Nazi prisoners even when London was being bombed by German aircraft, not to mention the fear of an &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion"&gt;invasion of the homeland&lt;/a&gt; in 1940-41.  So Bill tried to argue the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/nJGqkd9-TPU&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nJGqkd9-TPU&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note that Bill's source is some professor and a university I'm not greatly familiar with, but none the less Bill is not using primary sources, let alone examining context nor anything else a historian would consider.  Note also that Bill has made astoundingly wrong statements about WWII history, such as the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre"&gt;massacre of Malmedy&lt;/a&gt;, blaming Americans for killing unarmed German soldiers when in fact &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KU02lsfH8"&gt;it was exactly the opposite&lt;/a&gt;.  Now, I don't consider most journalists or pundits on TV to be historians, but it seems Keith Olbermann was able to do that far better than Bill.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/59ZRkf7iFJg&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/59ZRkf7iFJg&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Keith goes to Churchill's own writings, a man who wrote profusely--this guy's history of a cabinet meeting would make Thucydides' history of the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peleponessean_War"&gt;Peloponnesian War&lt;/a&gt; seem like a short read.  Keith also pointed out the historical context for the positions Churchill took, the only way any historian should consider a moment in time.  With better documentation and perspective, Keith produces a powerful rebuttal to O'Reilly and shows a much better wielding of historical methodology.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, the biggest rationalization of all time!  What could it be?  Well, it's related to the Catholic Church and the heliocentric model.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/6LvepJMAIB4&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/6LvepJMAIB4&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There you have it, if someone is mortal, then it doesn't matter what happened to them or by whom.  This is the biggest moral blank check I can possibly conceive of, and that is exactly what Kilmeade has done.  Obviously he didn't take any philosophy courses while at Long Island University.  Brian, that was some powerful stupid, perhaps even more so than that said by Bachmann.  And that is some stiff competition.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, I did include a lot from Keith Olbermann, a big-time liberal, but his videos included the relevant samples that I was interested in, and Keith's commentaries on these points are unfortunately accurate (unfortunate for those at Fox and the GOP, that is).  I may not agree with his assessment of a Republican take-over of history for the sake of Orwellian control of the masses, as it could be just plain stupidity and ego.  But who knows.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And one last piece of crap from the friends at Fox and Friends.  They had on ID proponent Casey Luskin, a person who is not a biologist but knows all biologists are wrong (except Michael Behe).  I will let a realy biologist point out the errors in his recent comments on Fox.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="560" height="340"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8FajAkmaswc&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8FajAkmaswc&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This video includes clips from "Flock of Dodos" with another biologist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="560" height="340"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/KXykX8c-qTU&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/KXykX8c-qTU&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's wonderful how much Steven Doocey plays along with the utterly false statements by Luskin.  Does Doocey really remember drawings in his high school biology book, especially since they probably were never there and certainly were not used to prove evolution.  The blind lead the blind, hand in hand.  Again, promoting the agenda of those that wish to dull the masses?  You be the judge.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nonetheless, stupidity seems to be the name of the game in modern American politics.  I'm sure Republicans don't have a monopoly of this, but one must call a spade and spade, especially when this is the party that during the 2008 presidential elections had three candidates openly not believe in evolution (and Ron Paul later), had its main candidate call a planetarium star projector just some overpriced overhead projector, and a vice-presidential candidate who didn't know anything about international politics (such as the Bush Doctrine) and scoffed at fruit fly research, a primary vehicle of genetic research.  This makes me want to purchase Charles Pierce's &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Idiot-America-Stupidity-Became-Virtue/dp/0767926145/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1242251871&amp;amp;sr=1-1"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.  Because, after all,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2008/09/thestupiditburns.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 300px; height: 341px;" src="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2008/09/thestupiditburns.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-8570903788472661416?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/8570903788472661416/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=8570903788472661416' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8570903788472661416'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8570903788472661416'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/05/republican-history.html' title='Republican &quot;History&quot;'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-8539107964336531735</id><published>2009-04-25T15:42:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2009-04-25T16:13:50.631-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fox News'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Weather'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wikipedia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pseudoscience'/><title type='text'>Powerful Crazy in the House--Bachmann is Clueless</title><content type='html'>It was recently Earth Day, so many had to "think green" because of environmental concerns.  The biggest concern recently has been with the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere.  There is usually some level of equilibrium on sufficiently large scales of the gas in the atmosphere between production and consumption by things on earth, both biological and geological.  If such an equilibrium were to be thrown off enough, it could lead to a warming trend in world temperatures which can lead to significant climatological problems for things that depend on its current state, including us humans.  Human activity with the burning of fossil fuels, which return much of the stored carbon in the earth back into the atmosphere , has raised CO2 levels to a higher level than has been seen in history and far into prehistory.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is the strong consensus of climatological scientists that CO2 levels have increased and are causing changes in the climate, that humans are a primary cause in the increase of CO2 levels, and that the effects will bring harm.  However, the scenarios of what could happen do not include Armageddon.  There may be increases of famine do to drying conditions, loss of property due to rising water levels, etc.  Humans will survive the climate change; we just won't be happy, and the costs of such warming could very well outweigh any costs in trying to prevent or weaken this fate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, what the hell is up with Rep. Michelle Bachman (R-Minnesota)?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/IAaDVOd2sRQ&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/IAaDVOd2sRQ&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That is some powerful stupid.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;CO2 is natural from nature, etc.  Yeah, so is radium.  So are tornadoes.  So are plagues.  What an example of the naturalistic fallacy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No study to show that CO2 is harmful.  Um, the problem isn't that CO2 levels will get to high to be poisonous.  That would be a problem with something like mercury.  (If the levels of CO2 were high enough, there would be problems, but that isn't the case for what industrialization is being blames for.)  CO2 levels on the rise lead to problems with the environment, which then affects us.  And if you want to see that CO2 can be harmful in itself, why do you think plastic bags say "Keep away from infants"?  Because they will suffocate!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;CO2 makes up ~3% of the atmosphere.  Rep. Bachmann, ever hear of Wikipedia?  If you had, you would know that you are off by two orders of magnitude.  Not a trivial error.  If she was right, &lt;a href="http://www.osha.gov/dts/chemicalsampling/data/CH_225400.html"&gt;we would all be dead&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Humans have increases CO2 by only 3%.  &lt;a href="http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2005/s2412.htm"&gt;Try ~30%&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Mauna_Loa_Carbon_Dioxide.png"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 397px; height: 271px;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Mauna_Loa_Carbon_Dioxide.png" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Carbon_Dioxide_400kyr.png"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 401px; height: 289px;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Carbon_Dioxide_400kyr.png" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And what is the most probable source?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Global_Carbon_Emission_by_Type_to_Y2004.png"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 409px; height: 362px;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Global_Carbon_Emission_by_Type_to_Y2004.png" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;CO2 levels are well away from natural levels for the last ~million years.  Human activity is the most likely source, and the effects are becoming known.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, which this many pictures, I have to include one more, taken from &lt;a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/"&gt;Bad Astronomy&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.plognark.com/Art/Sketches/Blogsketches/2008/thestupiditburns.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 383px; height: 435px;" src="http://www.plognark.com/Art/Sketches/Blogsketches/2008/thestupiditburns.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-8539107964336531735?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/8539107964336531735/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=8539107964336531735' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8539107964336531735'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8539107964336531735'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/04/powerful-crazy-in-house-bachmann-is.html' title='Powerful Crazy in the House--Bachmann is Clueless'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-8252878250524189390</id><published>2009-03-27T11:07:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-03-27T11:53:15.985-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='United Nations'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Censorship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Islamophobia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Justice'/><title type='text'>The UN and Religion</title><content type='html'>Apparently, yesterday the United Nations &lt;a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0811/S00421.htm"&gt;passed a resolution in the General Assembly that included an amendment to combat the "defamation of religion"&lt;/a&gt;.  Such a title already seems more broad than should be desired by any nation with freedom of speech.  When it comes to discrimination of people because of religion, this should easily be called unjust, and the UN already passed such a resolution some time ago.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Okay, first to put this in perspective.  The UN has no real teeth.  Money and troops come under UN control if other nations are willing to give such things.  Much of the money comes from the United States and troops are many from the US and Europe, but hardly exclusively (perhaps not even in the majority?).  This resolution was also passed in the General Assembly, not the Security Council which producing much more binding statements.  The GA can only produce "symbolic" statements for other nations to take heart, but such resolutions certainly cannot change member-state constitutions.  The US can ignore this resolution as it can most things the UN throws out, or as did Iraq according to the run-up statements before the war began in 2003.  However, the existence of such a resolution passed by the majority of nations in the United Nations does send out a diplomatic shield to those it would protect.  The question is, does the resolution protect those unfairly maligned by the prejudices of kooks and bigots, or does this give cover to nations and organizations with religious zealotry which do harm to citizens of the world?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, what does the &lt;a href="http://www.unwatch.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=bdKKISNqEmG&amp;amp;b=1330819&amp;amp;ct=6283041"&gt;statement even say&lt;/a&gt;?  Is it going to hinder free speech?  I thought that perhaps some had over-hyped the nature of this resolution, making seem worse than it is.  I first learned of it through sources &lt;a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2212662/"&gt;such as Christopher Hitchens&lt;/a&gt;, a well known opponent of religion, an "anti-theist" by his own admission, so perhaps he was biased in his report for Slate.com.  But is he right?  Does the resolution want to limit free speech and criticism of religion?  Well, yes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, Paragraph 100, Section 5 says that states should&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span&gt;take serious steps to address the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance and in this context to take firm action against negative stereotyping of religions and &lt;strong&gt;defamation of religious personalities, holy books, scriptures and symbols&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;So, I'm not supposed to defame religious personalities, holy books, and so on.  Of course, I can defame politicians all I want.  Why can't I say bad things about the Pope or certain Ayatollahs?  Does this mean biblical criticism is off now?  Bye-bye Documentary Hypothesis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The resolution also points the blame at right-wingers against Islam who try to use xenophobia to rack up political points.  That ignores &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;liberals&lt;/span&gt; that attack this religion, such as Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, etc.  (I would probably add myself, since I'm no right-winger, but I'm not a hippy as well.)  The Dutch MP Geert Wilders seems to be in view of the UN resolution, whose documentary "Fitna" created a large stir on the Internet.  I agree with critics of the film that it is more anti-immigrant than a proper critic of Islam, but we don't need to look far to find a Dutch MP producing a documentary critical of Islam.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ayaan Hirsi Ali created a documentary years ago with a decendent of Van Goeth, and the director was killed!  Ali has been under protection of years from a similar fate in the US.  Ali is also part of a liberal party in the Netherlands, the People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD); Geert used to be a member of this same part, but changed in 2006 to a right-wing group called the "Party of Freedom".  Geert left the VVD because it was favorable to Turkey's inclusion into the EU, so he was much more against Islamic nations than the VVD in general.  Ali can also give more valid criticism of Islam having been Muslim for much of her life and even chanted death threats to Salmon Rushdie.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Apparently now, if Ali, who was abused under Islam, dares criticize, she can be called a xenophobe because of this resolution.  How different from the case of the murdering and raping monster in Austria.  Should he be given protections if he declared that his actions were part of his religious tradition?  Would criticism of his actions be "backward" and "elitist"?  If not, then why not the forced circumsizion of women, the stoning of rape victims, the beheading of homosexuals, the death of apostates?  Why does religion get a pass?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obviously, this resolution is truly backward from what any sensible enlightened institution should produce.  Imagine if this was passed in the days of Hume; his discourses on natural religion and human reason would have to be outlawed according to this nonsense.  Bertrand Russel would have been sent to jail.  The intellectual tradition of Western thought would be against the law, the tradition of free inquiry and the ability of all ideas coming to the free market to see what wins out.  Apparently, religion has to be protected.  Perhaps because it cannot stand up?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fortunately, I live in the USA, and my country voted against this resolution, along with Canada, France, Germany, the UK, and even Israel, along with many other European nations.  It's odd that nations such as Japan did not vote, and Russia voted in favor.  I'm betting any nation I end up living in will most likely be against this piece of tripe.  Well, as a citizen of the Red, White, and Blue, I must say, God bless . . .  er, good goin', the USA.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-8252878250524189390?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/8252878250524189390/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=8252878250524189390' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8252878250524189390'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8252878250524189390'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/03/un-and-religion.html' title='The UN and Religion'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-5324833506957281171</id><published>2009-03-26T11:01:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-03-26T11:44:09.527-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='CERN'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Movie'/><title type='text'>Going to the Movies--Science and the Big Screen</title><content type='html'>Looks likes this is going to be another fun year of cinema with movies about Wolverine, Star Trek, and Transformers.  The film "Knowing" also looks interesting, but Nicholas Cage movies can be very hit or miss with me.  He also seems to be doing a fair bit of cinema on the occult, such as cryptic symbols in hiding secrets of America and now the hidden dimensionality of causation in the universe found in a time capsule.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recently, I went to see the highly-anticipated "Watchmen".  When it comes to graphic gore, it seems like "300" was a warm-up for this attraction.  So much happened that it's hard to keep it all in my head--it was also nearly three hours long, but that didn't bother me since it was all necessary.  I also like what this story, as well as "The Dark Knight" have done with the concept of the Hero.  These ideas have developed so much from the early days of comics: hero comes, beats up bad guys, all is great, but maybe there is a cliff hanger such as there was at the end of every Batman episode back in the '60s.  And for a movie with lots of blood and some sex, there didn't seem to be that much cursing, unlike "Casino" which had a rate of F-bombs per minute.  I will now need to read the graphic novel to see what changed, considering the creator of the book was not pleased by the film version.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also coming up soon is "Angels &amp;amp; Demons", again with Tom Hanks (great actor) and director Ron Howard (director of movies such as "Apollo 13" and "Frost/Nixon").  This one is a must-see for me not because of the novel, but because of CERN.  The book wasn't that great to me, and the ending had so many twists Dan Brown made me feel like a ragged doll being whipped about.  But the movie crew actually took a trip to CERN to look at the detectors and center, and it looks like they were inspired (&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzjv-GUEDfg"&gt;taken from this trailer clip&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/ScvGRivOI0I/AAAAAAAAADQ/-8pEPpubmII/s1600-h/A%26D--Ps.+CERN.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 380px; height: 226px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/ScvGRivOI0I/AAAAAAAAADQ/-8pEPpubmII/s400/A%26D--Ps.+CERN.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5317561789725942594" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It looks like the rendered the ATLAS detector pretty well, but this glassed-in section at the bottom?  Definetely not there in reality. It had to be there for a part of the book where the scientists and Langdon watch a matter-antimatter collision.  Of course, when CERN is running there will be a huge amount of bremsstrahlung radiation.  Also, this image only was sensible when the detector was being put together.  This is no space to see anything, and all the activity is happening inside pipes and the core of this detector, leaving nothing to see.  Besides, the collisions can only be detected with the use of advanced electronics; the eye isn't the best for viewing kaons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, note the fashion of the scientists there.  White coats?  Total stereotype.  These guys are chemists at the lab.  When I was at CERN, most everyone was wearing much more casual clothing: blue jeans, tee shirts, etc.  But it seems that crazy white hair and a lab coat and a crazy personality it just what Hollywood portrays the scientist as.  For example see Doc from "Back to the Future".  I don't necessarily mind.  Bill Nye plays on the stereotype as well, comically and educationally, so I don't have a problem.  But it should be pointed out that the dress of these guys on the set is quite reality.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The antimatter is also comical from a scientific standpoint.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/ScvIA6kQXdI/AAAAAAAAADY/cGuhgPA3ZVU/s1600-h/A%26D--Antimatter.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 240px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/ScvIA6kQXdI/AAAAAAAAADY/cGuhgPA3ZVU/s400/A%26D--Antimatter.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5317563703087881682" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That glowing mystery substance? Antimatter?  In reality, antimatter is no different from normal matter except that the particles have their opposite charge.  Electrons are positive (so called positrons), protons are negatively charged.  In a universe dominated by antimatter, I would look the same.  The only problem happens when matter and antimatter meet, and when that happens they annihilate and produce pure energy.  If this matter was glowing, it would be because the vacuum is not perfect and the stuff is giving off photons, probably some gamma rays.  In other words, you can think of the substance as decaying.  By the end of the movie, there is no antimatter to "explode", and whoever carried this thing around will suffer a bad radiation dose.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Still, the trailer looks great, even more action-packed than the book it felt.  The editors knew what they were doing.  I'm also interested to see how much Vatican history the movie will talk about; from what I can gather, it won't be much better than the "history" found in "The Da Vinci Code".  I bet the Catholic League will be all up-in-arms again when this movie comes out.  Isn't that reason to see the film?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-5324833506957281171?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/5324833506957281171/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=5324833506957281171' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5324833506957281171'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5324833506957281171'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/03/going-to-movies-science-and-big-screen.html' title='Going to the Movies--Science and the Big Screen'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/ScvGRivOI0I/AAAAAAAAADQ/-8pEPpubmII/s72-c/A%26D--Ps.+CERN.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-6436235863968331980</id><published>2009-02-27T06:08:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-27T06:32:48.400-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Star of Bethlehem'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Astronomy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sky and Telescope'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Travel'/><title type='text'>Recent Stellar Developments</title><content type='html'>It's been a very busy month with classes, labs, and all the things that make graduate student life so much, let's say, fun.  Much time gets consumed by homework from classes like statistical mechanics, but there has still been some time at least to travel to someone special and to relax a bit a read a book or two.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More interestingly, there is a comet up in the sky right now, Lulin, but it below fifth magnitude so it's pretty much impossible for me to see in the city.  However, if you can, check it out while it's around; the comet is around Saturn right now, close to the constellation Leo, so it is up almost all night.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Speaking of stars, I have perused the Internet to find a &lt;a href="http://bethlehemstar.home.att.net/"&gt;website&lt;/a&gt; that went after my article in S&amp;amp;T from 2007, along with pretty much all of biblical studies that came down against the historicity of the Star of Bethlehem.  I contacted the creator of the long web article about a couple of things that I thought were erroneous, such as comets were not seen as evil omens in Babylon (the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Enuma Ana Enlil&lt;/span&gt; and MUL.APIN say otherwise), the Greek verb &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;proago&lt;/span&gt; does not mean lead or go forward (it does, and it certainly does so in the context of Matt 2:9), &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;epano&lt;/span&gt; does not mean to be right over a particular place (completely false), that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;proago&lt;/span&gt; was in the imperfect aorist tense (such a tense is impossible linguistically and logically), and so on.  After some exchange the &lt;a href="http://bethlehemstar.home.att.net/STARBETHHTML.htm"&gt;main page of the article&lt;/a&gt; has been taken down, for revisions I suspect.  Another of &lt;a href="http://bethlehemstar.home.att.net/SUMMARYH.htm"&gt;his pages&lt;/a&gt; mentions revisions, but I haven't noticed any, at least not important ones.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since our exchange, he hasn't contact me concerning my last statements, but life is time consuming, so I don't necessarily take it to be an attempt to dodge my points.  Perhaps he is researching my arguments.  Perhaps he will show the errors of my way, along with most of biblical scholarship and all scholars of the world that say comets were almost universally seen as evil omens--in particular, the author does not provide a single primary or secondary source that says Babylonians or Persians saw comets as positive omens, while I have provided primary sources to the contrary.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for articles, it appears that I will be having one of my own writings published in the &lt;a href="highercriticism.org"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Journal of Higher Criticism&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; in the near future.  Under the new publishing system, the next issue will come out when there is at least 150 pages of material.  Currently, it is up to 94 pages.  It makes me so impatient, but good things come to those who wait.  None the less, this means that I will have something published in a biblical studies journal!  That should already give me more credibility than most all researchers into the Star of Bethlehem who haven't published in peer-reviewed biblical or theological journals in about a generation, and almost never astronomers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With all that out of the way, it's time to get to work, and travel back to Michigan.  Monday night at Michigan State, biologist and well-known atheist Richard Dawkins will begin touring the US on a speaking run.  I plan on going.  And if someone has a lot of cash, &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/02/got_100000.php"&gt;give it to Ray Comfort so he can give it to Richard Dawkins&lt;/a&gt;.  Well, perhaps not.  Why give to Mr. Comfort and give him enough credence, believing that he can actually produce a coherent argument against, well, most anything, let along evolutionary science.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-6436235863968331980?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/6436235863968331980/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=6436235863968331980' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/6436235863968331980'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/6436235863968331980'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/02/recent-stellar-developments.html' title='Recent Stellar Developments'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-2034032948935932229</id><published>2009-01-29T10:18:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-29T10:26:03.293-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fox News'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Weather'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sky and Telescope'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Travel'/><title type='text'>Weddings!</title><content type='html'>So far, January has been nice and crazy.  The new President certainly is worth talking about, and already the politics is getting hot.  The winter storms recently have certainly made life a bit odd, considering the university actually closed yesterday.  That never happened when I was at MSU, and the last time it did in 1994 was when the wind chill was 40F below, considered possibly lethal to walking students.  It wasn't that bad here in Ohio, but the roads were supposed to have been aweful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what is making this month eventful for me are weddings.  There are two this month, and in both I'm a groomsman.  The first was a couple of weeks ago, and the next is on the last day of the month.  This means a lot of tux fitting and a lot of driving.  Not to mention lots of bachelor parties, including in other nations--Canada.  Of course, I do like looking nice and dancing crazy with my girlfriend, but there is a lot of running around to be done, especially when I have to drive for more than four hours just to get to any one location I need to be in for Michigan events.  But, in the end, it is worth it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, the newest issue of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Sky &amp;amp; Telescope&lt;/span&gt; has hit news stands, so my letter to the editor should be in there, but I haven't checked yet.  I wonder what responses I can expect.  I bet this will make an interesting February.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-2034032948935932229?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/2034032948935932229/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=2034032948935932229' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/2034032948935932229'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/2034032948935932229'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2009/01/weddings.html' title='Weddings!'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-8766729248654585819</id><published>2008-12-30T14:57:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-30T15:32:35.336-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='New Years'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vacation'/><title type='text'>What a December, What a Year!</title><content type='html'>Well, it's nearing the end of 2008.  With that comes much remembrances of months past, and boy did a lot happen in this year.  Of course there was the huge presidential election with a huge route in favor of the Democratic party, and the events in India and Iraq have been very newsworthy, but my personal life has had much to talk about.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the beginning of the year, I was not in my home state, but instead in Bavaria, celebrating with mein Schatz along with her family.  With this wonder person in my life, I traveled through some of Canada, including a visit to Niagara Falls; later came a big trip through the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, probably hitting every piece of land that needs to be seen before someone kicks the bucket up there.  I also graduated from Michigan State in May and started grad studies at the Ohio State University, and fortunately I have passed all my classes and I think I did well as a TA--at least some of the students said I was good.  There was also a trip back to Germany for about a month, which also allowed visits to CERN outside of Geneva as well as some of nearby France, a bit of Austria, and Neuschwanstein back in Bavaria, along with the great city of Berlin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As if that was not enough traveling, my partner and I spent a week on Manhattan Island.  What an amazing city, especially during Christmas time with all the lights and trees up all around the major plazas and stores.  And lest one forget, there is still Lady Liberty, which has become very restricted in visiting inside since 2001 for obvious reasons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also in good news, my response earlier to an article by Dr. Molnar will be mentioned in the March issue of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Sky &amp;amp; Telescope&lt;/span&gt; with a link to that blog post.  Further, I have sent an article for review to the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Journal of Higher Criticism&lt;/span&gt;, and hopefully it is up to par with scholarly method and writing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, after a trip up north to see an elk reservation--which my girlfriend first though were supposed to be moose until the difference in European understanding was made clear--I am home with my family.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, Happy Holidays to all.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-8766729248654585819?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/8766729248654585819/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=8766729248654585819' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8766729248654585819'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8766729248654585819'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/12/what-december-what-year.html' title='What a December, What a Year!'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-2159579423895246271</id><published>2008-11-09T20:11:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-28T17:24:14.073-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Star of Bethlehem'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='New Testament'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Astronomy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sky and Telescope'/><title type='text'>When The Star Steers You Wrong--A Response To Michael Molnar</title><content type='html'>In my previous post, I mentioned that Dr Michael Molnar, astronomer, formerly a professor at Rutgers University, had written a short article for &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Sky &amp;amp; Telescope&lt;/span&gt; in their recent December issue.  What I figured was he would restate his case for the Star of Bethlehem as an unusually powerful horoscope and signaled the birth of Christ to the Magi.  However, his way of bringing his argument forth was a far cry from what I would have expected from a scientist, let alone in print.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Basically, Molnar called me a liar in print!  Yes indeed, he said the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Echoing this charge [of ahistoricity of the Star], an article in this magazine one year ago concluded the star was an irresolvable pious myth (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;S&amp;amp;T&lt;/span&gt;: December 2007, p. 26).  Regrettably, the article misrepresented by own research and ignored historical evidence.  [p. 112]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wow.  I lied about his work and ignored evidence.  In other words, I am dishonest and a terrible scholar.  Odd that he did not name me in particular, though he brought up another &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;S&amp;amp;T&lt;/span&gt; article from 1999 and mentioned the author, Bradley Schaefer, by name.  Perhaps an avoidance of libel?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Did I misrepresent Molnar's work?  &lt;a href="http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/10/star-returns-to-sky-telescope.html"&gt;I explained before&lt;/a&gt; that Molnar charged me in saying that I misconstrued his work by saying the Star was an occultation of Jupiter by the Moon.  Rather, I said this was a positive condition for the horoscope (at least I said that Molnar said that it was positive), which was a part, or constituted, the Star of Bethlehem.  I also pointed out that in Molnar's own book he uses the same language, and in fact more strongly than I did.  Molnar's charge that I misconstrued his work is simply wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Have I told him this?  I contacted him in November of 2007 and early 2008.  I have all the emails in my Gmail account.  I tried to correspond on this subject, but unfortunately he was unresponsive.  I explained how I had not misrepresented his work, presenting his own words in his book.  He would not budge from his position and continued to insult me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ex:&lt;br /&gt;"You then have made a seriously deceitful assessment of [my] book."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The problem lies in your deceptive writing style and biased cherry-picking of facts that misled &lt;i&gt;S&amp;amp;T&lt;/i&gt; readers about my book and the evidence in support of an historical basis to the Star. I am incredulous that you are now rationalizing your historically inaccurate ideas and ignoring your article’s inexcusably fraudulent attack on me."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"If anyone was shortchanged, it was not Christmas planetarium viewers as you claim, but &lt;i&gt;S&amp;amp;T&lt;/i&gt; readers."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was also accused of having a hidden agenda because I brought up parallel stories from the time of early Christianity that may have influenced the story.  Seeing that this has been done for over a century and is part of the criterion of dissimilarity used by biblical scholars today, I cannot be said to have any more agenda than them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, the good doctor has made much hay about me, calling me a liar on multiple occasions.  Further, he refuses to answer any of my emails.  I sent him emails in early 2008, which he refused to respond.  I sent an email in response to his article a couple of weeks ago as well, again without response.  This seems to be childish, and to call me a liar and then hide from my criticism is cowardly in action.  Thus, I need to write this entry to make clear the problems I have with Molnar's research.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm only going to focus on the evidences brought forth by Molnar in his article.  He thinks these are the best, it would seem.  I plan on writing a more lengthy and thorough article for a biblical journal in the near future.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first line of evidence presented are Roman coins.  These coins are from Antioch, which is in modern-day Turkey.  That is, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;not&lt;/span&gt; Israel.  What?  In fact, his first coin says on it (in Greek), City of Antioch.  Pardon me, but to have coins from a non-Jewish city to be about the Jewish nation is very odd.  In recent years, there have been state coins for all 50 states, and they are almost done.  There is a coin that says "New York" on it.  We also see the Statue of Liberty.  What would make us think that a coin that says "New York" on it had anything to do with, say, Maine, and that the Statue was a symbol of this state?  Isn't Molnar doing the same thing?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Molnar speculates that the coins were minted in Antioch because of the census of 6-7 CE when Judea became part of Syria, in which the capitol of Antioch.  So his connection between the coins and Judea can only rest on speculation.  However, there are serious problems even with that.  Firstly, of the coins he presents only some have dates on them, and those dated are from 12-13 CE, well after the time of the census and inclusion of Judea into the Roman Empire proper.  This makes the connection on Molnar's part more imaginative.  Worse, his undated coin was dated by his own source, G. MacDonald, to 5-6 CE, before the census and unification (he uses Actian years, and so the coin was minted in Actian year 36, the census in 37 according to the Jewish historian Josephus).  If his source is correct, then Molnar's coin was minted before the event that connects Syria and Judea.  Molnar's contention is temporally impossible!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Further, Molnar claimed in his book that these coins were ordered by the govenor of Syria.  This is not the case since the earliest coins are not of the legate class, but of the civic class.  That is, they were minted by the city for the city's own needs.  In other words, these were Antiochian coins minted in Antioch for Antioch under the pressures of the needs of the citizens of Antioch.  Not Rome.  Not Judea.  Antioch was a free city and was free to print such currency as seen fit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, there are coins with the same symbol in question, Aries the Ram, on later Antiochian coins, in the 2nd and 3rd centuries.  Are they still celebrating the union of Judea and Syria?  Worse is that there are coins from 55-56 CE with the symbol, but at that time Judea was not part of Syria.  The province would go back and forth on being part of Rome properly or as a client kingdom under one of the Herods, Agrippa II, from 48 CE until later on (Josephus, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;BJ&lt;/span&gt; 2.9.5; &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;AJ&lt;/span&gt; 19 and 20).  The Jewish War began in 66 CE, so until then the nation was under not direct Roman but Herodian rule, and after the war the land was returned to Agrippa until his death in around 100 CE.  Judea was not part of Syria in these times.  We can be certain of this because Josephus tells us this information and the two figures knew each other.  Josephus reproduces some of their interchanges (e.g. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;AJ&lt;/span&gt; 17.5.4;  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;BJ&lt;/span&gt; 2.11.6; &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Vit.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;54).  If the capitol of Syria was producing coins with the same symbol referring to the unification of Judea to Syria, then such a connection cannot be considered true.  Simply, Molnar's case was complete speculation that fails against the evidence.  Hard.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What of astrological documents that use Aries to represent Judea?  Molnar's best source is Ptolemy, who does say Aries was over Judea and other nearby lands.  However, Ptolemy says that the constellation was representative of modern-day Germany, France and England.  That's rather far from the Holy Land, no? What is frightening is that Ptolemy produces a list of what nations are under what constellations, and that list for Aries includes Germania, Gaul, and Britannia, as well as Palestine.  However, Molnar reproduces this list but has an ellipsis where these non-Israeli nations would be.  Shouldn't he have at least mentioned this somewhere in his book?  Molnar also cites Valens, a 2nd century astrologer, but this figure does not mention Palestine at all.  He does relate Coele Syria to part of Aries, but we would have to assume that the astrologer meant Judea into the lands of Coele Syria and the lands that surround it.  He may mean that Phoenicia was what included Judea.  For all we knew, Valens had no constellation for this region at all; he doesn't cover the whole known world (nor all the constellations of the zodiac for that matter).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is really strange is Molnar's reading of the 1st century astrologer Manilius.  He speaks of Syria and Egypt under Aries, but does not mention Palestine.  Molnar figures that Syria included Palestine.  But if he had flipped just two pages in the Loeb translation of the book (which Molnar used), he would have seen a description for lands under Aquarius which included regions between Egypt and Tyre (4.797-8).  That's the Holy Land!  This region he refers to he calls Phoenicia, a geography that he makes clear elsewhere (4.620-7).  So Molnar's reading of Manilius is seriously botched.  However, this translation includes in the preface a list of regions and constellations, which Molnar missed, along with a frontispiece that included a map with all the different regions with their corresponding constellation symbol.  It had Aquarius near the Dead Sea!  So there were three different places in the text that says that Aries was NOT the constellation of the Holy Land.  How did Molnar miss this?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And if we look at other astrological geographies, there is much more contradiction that consensus (which the translator of Manilius noted himself).  For example, Dorotheus, another 1st century astrologer, had Aries over Babylon and Gemini over Phoenicia--which probably includes Judea (Pingree, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Dorothei Sindonii Carmen Astrologicum&lt;/span&gt;, pp. 427-8).  A fourth century astrologer, Hephaistio, told of many traditions of astrological geography, some of it going back to Hipparcus.  He tells us that Aries was over Babylon, Trace, Armenia, Persia, Mesopotamia, Syria, and the Red Sea, while Gemini was over Phoenicia.  Syria also included rule by multiple constellations (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Apotelesmatica&lt;/span&gt; I 1, pp. 4-29).  Paulus Alexandrinus (4th century) and the Hermes Trismegistus also give contradicting astrological geographies, none of while say Aries was over the Holy Land.  In fact, there is no majority position over all the treatises on astrological geography.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In case the paragraphs are hard to read, here's a recap, and &lt;a href="http://www.astro-guide.com/geograph.htm"&gt;see this link&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Ptolemy: Aries over Palestine as well as Germania, Gaul, and Britannia (ignored my Molnar).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Valens: Aries over Coele Syria and surrounding lands, but Phoenicia more likely to include Palestine and had different constellation (not considered by Molnar).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Manilius: Aries over Syria; Aquarius over Phoenicia which included Judea (contra Molnar).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Dorotheus: Aries over Babylon, Gemini over Phoenicia (not mentioned by Molnar).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Hephastio's sources: Aries over modern-day Iraq, Iran, Turkey, and Syria; Gemini over Phoenicia (not mentioned by Molnar).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Paulus Alexandrinus: Aries over Persia; not sure which constellation for Palestine, but no probable choices include Aries (Syria had Capricorn, Egypt had Aquarius, Red Sea had Pisces) (not mentioned by Molnar).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Hermes Trismegistus: Aries over ocean, Bactria, Lydia; Scorpio for Palestine (not mentioned by Molnar).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;The last two texts were not even mentioned by Molnar, but he had access to their astrological geographies.  Molnar makes much of of Cramer's &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Astrology in Roman Law and Politics&lt;/span&gt;, and on page 23 a list is reproduced from another work that gives the astrological geographies of these texts as well as Ptolemy's list for comparison.  How could Molnar have missed this?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Overall, Molnar ignored as many works as he cited, and only one can actually support his position while it also contradicts it as well.  The mass array of contradiction should tell us that a particular agreed-upon constellation for Judea is non-existent in the literature.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So far then, one line of evidence is ungrounded speculation, another is poor research in reading of texts.  Perhaps then we can imagine the quality of his last piece of evidence.  Actually, he thinks it is independent confirmation of his Star of Bethlehem, coming from the 4th century (Molnar wrote the wrong year for this figure in his recent article).  The astrologer Firmicus, who converted to Christianity at some unknown time before writing his most famous work against heretical forms of Christianity, wrote a Latin astrological work called the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Mathesis&lt;/span&gt;.  In one part of his text, Firmicus mentions a person of almost divine nature (4.3.9).  The astrological circumstances also have some similarity to Molnar's conjectured horoscope for Jesus, which was on April 17, 6 BCE.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What's wrong with this piece of evidence?  Firstly, the horoscope is not said to be of any particular person and mixes multiple horoscopes, including that of Caesar Augustus', as Molnar himself says in his recent article and book.  So that Jesus was referred to here at all can only be speculative.  Besides, the figure described does not match Jesus well.  It says the person would be a general of great military prowess; Jesus had no army, not to mention "turn the other cheek" is not an effective way of winning wars.  (Note that Obama made comment to this as well in a speech not too long ago, about how if the military utilized the philosophy of the Sermon on the Mount it could not work.)  Further, the astrological conditions mentioned in Firmicus' work does not match Molnar's horoscope.  Molnar has the Moon occulting Jupiter while Jupiter was close to the Sun.  In such a circumstance, the Moon would be new and waning.  However, Firmicus says that in his horoscope the Moon is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;full&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;waxing&lt;/span&gt;.  The exact opposite.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As such, Molnar simply read into the text what he wanted to see.  Besides, it is certainly odd that Firmicus, in the 4th century, knew the exact day (perhaps hour) Jesus was born, while other Christians could not figure out what &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;year&lt;/span&gt; Jesus was born!  Further, Firmicus later wrote his book to defend orthodox Christianity, but he did not mention the Star.  Since Firmicus does not repudiate his history as an astrologer, why does he not mention his knowledge of the Star?  It makes no sense at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With all that, Molnar's evidence presented in his article is rubbish.  It's speculation and grounded misreadings and lack of reading.  I won't go into his horoscope for Nero here, which is his last piece of evidence in his book.  Suffice it to say, it is based on extrapolations and calculations from Suetonius talking about Nero.  Suetonius is probably the worst source for such information as he was more a gossip-artist than historian, especially in his later works, including his &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Nero&lt;/span&gt;.  No classicist agrees that the passage he cites is historical (see Bradley, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Suetonius' Life of Nero&lt;/span&gt;, p. 247; Wallace-Hadrill, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Suetonius: The Scholar and his Caesars&lt;/span&gt;, pp. 63-4; Baldwin, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Suetonius&lt;/span&gt;, pp. 174-80; Warmington, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Suetonius: Nero&lt;/span&gt;, pp. 76-8).  Any deductions he makes from this, and they are problematic in themselves, cannot be based on solid ground.  Again, all his evidences are either worthless or contradicts his intentions, such as the astrological texts cited above.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Molnar has been quite confident in his assertions, and in this article he seems to consider his work the final word on the subject.  Here is the context for this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Bradly Schaefer declared that my explanation, based on extensive Roman-era documents and free of historical revisionism, was the "final word" about the Star of Bethlehem.  Sometimes a final word needs repeating.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rather bold, no?  Sure he first quotes Schaefer (who is not a biblical scholar nor a classicist as far as I know), but he repeats the phrase "final word" without quotes, so Molnar certainly seems to think his work is that good.  Obviously, I disagree.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, I wrote the above because Molnar accused me of misrepresenting his views and ignored evidence.  I have explained how I did not misrepresent him, and as for ignoring evidence, this is a lot of pot calling the kettle black.  Here are some of the things that Molnar failed to consider in any sort of meaningful way, if at all:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;Contradictions between Luke and Matthew--The gospels give mutually exclusive times when Jesus was born.  &lt;a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/quirinius.html"&gt;They can't both be correct.&lt;/a&gt;  So, why does he effectively ignore this point, which makes any claims for historicity all so much weaker?  Besides, why does Molnar accept Matthew's date when Luke is more precise and the only Gospel writer claiming to write careful history?  Doesn't this make Luke's date for Jesus' birth more probable, hence more likely born in 6/7 CE instead of 6 BCE?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Miracles in the New Testament--The gospels are full of miracles and events with about zero likelihood of historicity, including Matthew's Nativity.  There is the virgin birth and the slaughtering of baby boys by Herod; the first is miraculous and biologically impossible, the latter is unrecorded by any historian, including Luke.  If all these events in the birth narrative are not historical, or at least cannot be shown to be so, doesn't that say that the Star should be just about as likely since its existence is only mentioned in this one book (others repeating Matthew's tale)?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Authorship and Date--The Gospel of Matthew was not written until after 70 CE, and perhaps much later.  The tax collector also did not write this work.  The first mention of the gospel by the name "Gospel of Matthew" does not come about until about the end of the 2nd century!  And the Greek says not that Matthew authored this work, but that the gospel is in the tradition of Matthew.  It used &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;kata Mathaion&lt;/span&gt; instead of Matthew in the genitive case, which is how authorship was stated in ancient works (cf. Josephus).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Genre--The question should have been asked in the first place, Is Matthew telling history?  The question of genre of the gospels is a tough topic, but the way things are moving is that the first written gospel, Mark, was written more as a novel then biography, specifically a Jewish novel (Vines, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Problem of Marken Genre: The Gospel of Mark and the Jewish Novel&lt;/span&gt; (2002)).  Mark also used elements from Homer's epics (MacDonald, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Homeric Epics and the Gospel of Mark&lt;/span&gt;).  This gospel was also Matthew's primary source, along with Q and some other materials.  If Matthew's story is based primarily on something that was more a novel than history, should we even think that Matthew is writing history/biography rather than producing a theological treatise?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Greek--Molnar tried to use the words in Matthew's account of the Star to relate to astrological words.  He failed.  See Birdsall in "Review Symposium:  by Michael Molnar", &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Star of Bethlehem&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Journal for the History of Astronomy&lt;/span&gt; 33, 4 (2002): 391-4.  The only phrase that survived was &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;en te anatole&lt;/span&gt; to meaning sunrise or a heliacal rising.  However, this need not have anything to do with astrology, as Molnar wants, because:&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Molnar Ignores the Bible--A rising star can be seen in prophecy, namely Numbers 24:17.  This was a well-known Messianic expectation as seen in Josephus, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the Jewish revolt led by Simon bar Kochba.  Would not the rising Star in Matthew be more likely a fulfillment of prophecy to fit Matthew's story rather than an astrological event?  Further, Jesus is called the Morning Star multiple times in the New Testament (2 Peter 1:19; Revelation 2:28; 22:16).  Perhaps Matthew means the same thing here with this Morning Star?  Why should we consider the Star astrological/astronomical when a Morning Star is so important in Christian literature?  The criterion of dissimilarity makes this object most unhistorical in essence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Observability--Molnar knows that his rising star could not have been seen with the naked eye by the Magi.  He thinks this is what made it good for astrologers and why non-astrologers missed it.  However, the magi said they &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;saw&lt;/span&gt; his Star, not calculated or inferred its existence.  What is worse is that the movements of the Star could not have been observed by pre-telescope sky watchers.  Molnar proposed that the "going before" and "stood over" in Matthew refer to the retrograde and stationary points of a planet, namely Jupiter.  However, the movements of the planets near a stationary point cannot be seen and the stationary point cannot be known to the accuracy required by the Magi.  They see the star going before them and then see it stop when they get to Bethlehem.  This takes less than 2 hours.  No planet can be seen to move relative to the stationary stars in 2 hours by the naked eye.  That includes even the best observations by Tycho Brache.  In fact, Ptolemy tells us this himself, that stationary points could not be known to the moment as the movement of the planet could not be distinguished for &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;days&lt;/span&gt; before and after the stationary point (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Almagest&lt;/span&gt; 9.2).  Molnar's Star is not possible to see.  How is an invisible Star preferable to a miraculous Star?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Physical Possibility--Again, the Star, according to Molnar, went into retrograde motion and then stopped during the time the Magi left Jerusalem and reach Bethlehem.  The tense for the word that means "go before", &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;proago&lt;/span&gt;, is in the imperfect case.  This means that the Star may have begun to move.  Hence, the retrograde period started and stopped in a 2 hour time frame.  No planet comes close to having a retrograde loop this short.  Mars, for example, is several weeks, and Mercury, the fastest planet, is about 3 weeks.  For a planet to retrograde and stop again in this short period of time would require a violation of orbital mechanics.  In other words, a miracle.  Hence, Molnar's Star is non-physical and non-observable.  How is this preferable to just a miraculous Star?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Reference frames--The Star is said to "go before" the Magi.  However, retrograde loops and any planetary motion, as well as the movement of stars, novae, and comets in the night sky, all travel east or west.  But this Star goes in the direction the Magi travel, which is south to Bethlehem from Jerusalem.  Matthew's context is clear; the Star travels before the Magi, not the stars in the sky themselves.  So, Matthew's context clearly contradicts any of the major candidates for the physical Star of Bethlehem.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Archaeology--I can't blame Molnar on this for his 1999 book.  However, in 2005, Avriam Oshri of the IAA wrote an article for the Nov/Dec issue of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Archaeology&lt;/span&gt;.  He points out that Bethlehem was unpopulated centuries before and after Jesus was said to have been born there.  In other words, there was no Bethlehem during the time of Jesus.  How can there be a Star of Bethlehem if there was no Bethlehem?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Ancient Testimony--Every ancient Christian who mentioned the Star considered it miraculous.  I can find no exceptions.  This include Origen, who seemed to say the Star was something like a comet.  However, he meant that the Star had a similar meaning as a comet does, that it means a great change will happen (change you can believe in!).  He demonstrates his belief that the Star is of an amazing nature in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Homilies on Numbers&lt;/span&gt; 18.4, where he compares the Star to the dove at Jesus' baptism that rested upon Jesus.  Further, Christians said the Star was &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;not&lt;/span&gt; astrological.  For example, see Gregory of Nazianzus, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Poemata Arcana&lt;/span&gt; 5.56-57.  This is also the consensus of Christians throughout history that the Star described was miraculous, including Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin, and in modern times the Jesus Seminar as well as Raymond Brown in his &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Birth of the Messiah&lt;/span&gt;.  2000 years of consensus is pretty amazing.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Use of Astrological Texts--Even in Molnar's area of most research, he fails to understand the nature of the texts he uses.  Namely, these books by Ptolemy and others cannot be used to make predictions.  Barton in her &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ancient Astrology&lt;/span&gt; (1994), pp. 114-42 compared the horoscope predictions between Manilius and Firmicus, taking the date of birth of Prince Charles.  Both horoscope predictions were "correct" as far as astrology goes, but they contradicted each other immensely.  Barton figures that these books were not meant for instruction but to demonstrate the learnedness of the the author.  In other words, these books were to show off, not to be of practical use.  And since different author's system's of casting horoscopes contradicts, they cannot be used as Molnar wants.  What is worse is that Molnar confuses the very nature of natal astrology when he has the stars tells of the birth of a great figure when natal astrology does not do this.  In natal horoscope astrology, the time of birth is recorded and then the horoscope is cast to predict the child's future.  This is the opposite order that Molnar utilizes.  Natal astrologers went birth, then stars; Molnar went stars, then birth.  Molnar's method is more akin to omen prophecies, such as if this condition is seen, then this will happen.  Molnar knows that ancient omen techniques are different that natal horoscope astrology (he makes that clear to me in his emails as well).  Hence, Molnar completely abused astrology in not understanding how the instrument was used in the past.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Wrong Astrology--What is also wrong with Molnar's use of astrology is that he focuses on the wrong region.  The Magi are from "the East," probably referring to the lands of the Parthian Empire, including Persia and Babylon.  However, all of Molnar's astrological texts are from the Roman world.  Molnar cites a line from Strabo that the Chaldeans/Magi were casting natal horoscopes, but that says nothing on &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;how&lt;/span&gt; they produced horoscopes.  This is a major problem.  And scholars who have investigated how the later Babylonians and their neighbors produced horoscopes have said that it is a big unknown (Rochberg, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Heavenly Writings&lt;/span&gt;, p. 118).  The horoscopes that have been recovered do not have key points on them that Western or Hellenistic horoscopes have, such as the Midheaven or the Lot of Fortune.  And in later times, the astrological methods of Ptolemy and those of the Persians were still distinct (Abu Ma'shar, Yamamoto, Burnett, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;On Historical Astrology: The Book of Religious Dynasties (on the Great Conjuctions)&lt;/span&gt;, p. 573, n. 2).  So, even if Molnar was correct about anything on the constellations for regions, it wouldn't matter because that says nothing of what was believed in Persia.  Molnar's efforts are a complete red herring.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;So, when it comes to ignoring historical evidence, I think that Molnar has a much greater problem here that I do.  In effect, Molnar ignored the whole of biblical scholarship, which you would think would be an important area to look into considering that his thesis is something in the area of biblical studies.  How is this different than a creationist arguing about the retention of heat in the earth's core, claiming it proves the earth is not billions of years old, while ignoring radioactivity?  The creationist claims that physics proves something, but to get that conclusion he or she must ignore much of physics.  Similarly, scientists that argue about the Star without looking into biblical studies make the same mistake.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So with all this, will this make Molnar respond to me when I email him?  Will he at least try and defend his thesis on these points, to which he has ignored when I have brought them to his attention?  I wrote about the observational problems in my article and in my emails to Molnar, but he didn't even mention this point, the point that I think falsifies his theory all on its own.  After all, if what Molnar tries to describe is what the Magi observed, and that observation was impossible, is that not the death of a theory?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;None the less, I think I have demonstrated that Molnar's work is not the "final word" on the subject, and instead any proponent of a natural Star of Bethlehem has a huge task in front of them.  But if instead one sees what the texts says and to what purpose it was written, it makes so much more sense that the author of Matthew was not writing history, his Star was purposefully miraculous, and was written to show that Jesus was God's anointed one, the Morning Star, son of the Dawn (Isaiah 14:12).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What should be investigated instead is why was the Morning Star placed where it is in the text and what does it mean in the context of 1st-century Jewish theology?  That is worthy of a paper, which I am producing now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;NOTE: I may fix some sentences in the future for this post.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-2159579423895246271?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/2159579423895246271/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=2159579423895246271' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/2159579423895246271'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/2159579423895246271'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/11/when-star-steers-you-wrong-response-to.html' title='When The Star Steers You Wrong--A Response To Michael Molnar'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-4419337013225756577</id><published>2008-10-25T09:44:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-10-25T10:36:10.048-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Star of Bethlehem'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Astronomy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sky and Telescope'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><title type='text'>The Star Returns to the Sky . . . &amp; Telescope</title><content type='html'>As I had been informed before several months ago, the editors of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Sky &amp;amp; Telescope&lt;/span&gt; have allowed Dr. &lt;a href="http://www.eclipse.net/%7Emolnar/"&gt;Michael Molnar&lt;/a&gt; to write a short article pertaining to the Star of Bethlehem, largely because of his response to my article written in the 2007 December issue of the magazine.  In my article, I mentioned his book, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Star of Bethlehem: The Legacy of the Magi&lt;/span&gt; (Rutgers: 2001), comparing his belief that the occultation of Jupiter by the Moon was a positive sign to an ancient Babylonian astrological treatise that said this signified the death of a king.  I probably didn't spill more than 50 words on his work in particular, though I did effectively "spit in the face" of theories such as comets, novae, and a later death for King Herod, along with any natural hypothesis for the Star--respectfully in my opinion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There was already plenty of back and forth on the subject on the &lt;a href="http://www.skyandtelescope.com/skytel/beyondthepage/10717881.html?pageSize=0"&gt;Talk Back page for my article&lt;/a&gt; on the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;S&amp;amp;T&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;web page, to which Dr. Molnar participated in.  Rather, we had some statements written to each other, carbon-copied to the editors of the magazine, though I suspect they were not reading these exchanges completely--they have jobs, you know.  In the end, the conversation was not terribly profitable and Dr. Molnar stopped responding to emails I sent to him.  Perhaps things can change now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have not read his new article, and it is not mentioned on the cover image of the newest &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;S&amp;amp;T&lt;/span&gt; magazine, but appears to be the last page.  I suspect he had about 500 words of space given to his response.  Plus, the editors told me that his article was not going to be a reply to my article, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;per se&lt;/span&gt;.  So, I don't really know the content until I read what he has.  That may be a few weeks until the newest issue arrives where I am.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If he says something that I think is worth while responding to publicly, I may post that here.  More likely, I will do some private conversing, which I think would be more respectful.  Besides, a 500-word essay isn't going to be something earth-shattering.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the mean time, I wish to make one point clear.  In a letter reprinted in the May 2008 issue of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;S&amp;amp;T&lt;/span&gt;, Molnar says that I mischaracterized his position on the Star.  I said that in Molnar's view, the occultation of Jupiter by the Moon was a positive sign that may have constituted the Star of Bethlehem.  Molnar's response to me was that he did not say the Star of Bethlehem was this occultation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And that is not what I said.  Again, I said that this was a positive sign (in Molnar's opinion) that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;may&lt;/span&gt; have &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;constituted&lt;/span&gt; the Star.  Constitute is not the same as is.  Besides, in Molnar's own book, he said the following "if the heliacal rising and lunar occultation of Jupiter constitute the Star of Bethlehem . . ." (p. 96).  Molnar himself says that the occultation &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;constituted&lt;/span&gt;, or was a part of, the Star.  In fact, my version of what Molnar said is more cautious, as I say it was a positive sign that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;may&lt;/span&gt; have been part of what was the Star of Bethlehem.  I was doubly-cautious in this use of terms, and without much loss of precision as I see it.  As such, I did nothing to set up a strawman of Molnar's arguments at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This was Molnar's chief beef with my article, but as we conversed other things came up, which I will not get into here.  In those conversations, however, it seemed that Molnar failed to take on my key points and made statements that mischaracterized my position and statements.  Now, that may sound like I am the pot calling the kettle black, but I must say that hypocrisy was avoided the best I could.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me say though, that the most important point that I tried to make, to which Dr. Molnar made no response, was that his Star's movements would have been observationally impossible for naked-eye observers, not only at the rising of the Star, but, more importantly, in the way it moved from the time of the Magi left Jerusalem until they reached Bethlehem, a distance of several kilometers, at most a two-hour trip on foot.  It would seem that if you have a hypothesis for what the Magi saw, and what you describe could not have been seen, that should be the kiss of death to such a hypothesis.  I see this as the most important problem with Dr. Molnar's, and most every other's, estimation for what the Star of Bethlehem was--the biggest problem assuming that this is reliable testimony of events.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Should one not make that assumption, and should one observe the critical issues of historicity, it should be realized just how silly it is to try to explain something naturally where there is no reason to think such a thing is there.  After all, is it not a waste of time to figure out the preferred type of pizza is consumed by the Flying Spaghetti Monster (if he/she/it eats pizza at all)?  With this story, we don't know who the author was, the document itself was written at least post-70 CE (2nd century according to more radical scholars), not independently attested, contradicted by other accounts (including the account given by the only gospel writer claiming to write history), of questionable genre (was the gospel even meant to be history/biography?), the author is generally willing to tell tales that are almost certainly unreliable (such as in ch 27 where the dead saints come to life and enter Jerusalem, which no historian or other gospel writer claims happened--how could that have missed &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;that&lt;/span&gt;!?!), and the very town Jesus was said to be born in was uninhabited for centuries before, during, and after the time of Jesus (A. Oshri, "Where Was Jesus Born?" &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Archaeology&lt;/span&gt; 58, 6 (2005)).  So, this alone should make the search a fool's errand, to sift through the sands of time for an event that didn't happen (if there was no Bethlehem, how could there have been a Star &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;of&lt;/span&gt; Bethlehem?).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, until I read Dr. Molnar's response, I wouldn't say more on his thesis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other hand of scholarship, I am really getting excited about &lt;a href="http://richardcarrier.blogspot.com/"&gt;Richard Carrier's&lt;/a&gt; work on his book on the historicity of Jesus as well as the first meeting of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Jesus Project&lt;/span&gt;, started by R. Joseph Hoffmann and &lt;a href="http://www.centerforinquiry.net/cser"&gt;CSER&lt;/a&gt;.  As for my research, I hope to send an article out of the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Journal of Higher Criticism&lt;/span&gt; in the near future about my own investigation into the meaning of the Star of Bethlehem and its source-critical implications.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-4419337013225756577?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/4419337013225756577/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=4419337013225756577' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/4419337013225756577'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/4419337013225756577'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/10/star-returns-to-sky-telescope.html' title='The Star Returns to the Sky . . . &amp; Telescope'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-3518029081897003054</id><published>2008-09-12T20:05:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-09-12T21:16:41.778-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='CERN'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><title type='text'>Worth the Cost?  YES!</title><content type='html'>Well, as mentioned before, the LHC is now accelerating particles about, with collisions scheduled for late October.  However, as cool as it is to have particle moving at 99.9999999% the speed of light in tubes colder than space (below 2 degrees Kelvin), there are people wondering about the utility of the project.  The cost has been estimated to be between &lt;a href="http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/god-particle/achenbach-text/6"&gt;3 and 7 billion euro (say $5-10 billion)&lt;/a&gt;, which is quite large.  I sure would like to have that sort of cash.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, there have been people asking these questions very publicly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/pXfv8c4uYRQ&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/pXfv8c4uYRQ&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brian Cox of CERN certainly made some good points, but perhaps I can also say a few things since I don't have to fit into a time slot.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Firstly, understanding the fundamentals of physics is helpful for &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;any&lt;/span&gt; future scientific and practical innovation.  Who could possibly have thought of the day-to-day requirements of atomic theory and relativity at the turn of the century.  The structure of an atom, if it was a sort of jelly, or a solar system model, or something more exotic--no matter which, if someone asked what sort of impact this would have on a person's life, I doubt Rutherford could have answered such a question.  However, with an understanding of atomic theory, we have extremely accurate clocks, electricity, smoke detectors, chemotherapy, and more.  Innovations in computers would have been difficult, if not impossible, without an understanding of the quantum realm, stuff that would have seemed like intellectual masturbation in the 1920s, but now is a necessity for the modern world.  And as for Einstein's theories, if humans did not understand general relativity GPS satellites would not be able to work--they would be off by miles.  There is no way any of these great scientists could have known about the particle applications of their theories in the future.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The same can and should be said of high energy particle physics.  Having a more complete theory of the subatomic universe can only be helpful in the future.  Who knows what sorts of things make be useful in having strange quarks or particles that only work with the weak nuclear force.  Or imagine that we learn enough about the world of force particles that we can manipulate them.  If we could weaken gravity or decrease the mass of objects, space travel would be easy.  If we could somehow weaken the repulsion between nuclei of atoms, fusion energy would be a snap.  Now, no one knows if any of these sorts of things are possible.  But how can we found out unless we do the research?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for the expense, the other person in the video, David King, mentioned using the money for trying to cure cancer.  Well, he does realize that this is not an either-or situation.  Besides, &lt;a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/157548/page/2"&gt;the US alone has spend about $200 billion since 1971&lt;/a&gt;, and other nations have major investments in this area as well.  Progress has been made, but no cure has come.  As for global warming, the cost for getting all vehicles to be clean, power stations to be clean, etc., that could cost trillions of dollars.  The US uses about &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_use_in_the_United_States"&gt;29000 billion kWh&lt;/a&gt;, and the cost of nuke power is &lt;a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_28/b3992063.htm"&gt;$2000 per kWh&lt;/a&gt;, so the cost is huge on this front.  $10 billion is nothing by comparison.  Now, this is not to say that combating global climate change isn't worth while.  What the problem is is the false dichotomy--this is not an either-or situation, nor is it that if a nation funds CERN it cannot fight cancer or help evade further change to the climate.  Nor does it mean that nations cannot feed the poor, heal the sick, and so on.  Besides, if one &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;really&lt;/span&gt; wants to look at things that are expensive, look at the US military budget.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The annual budget for the &lt;a href="http://www.dod.mil/comptroller/defbudget/fy2007/"&gt;US military is over $400 billion&lt;/a&gt;--that's at least 40 CERNs a year, and that $10 billion for CERN is over several years.  Heck, a single B2 stealth bomber costs &lt;a href="http://www.fas.org/man/gao/nsiad97181.htm"&gt;around $2 billion&lt;/a&gt;, and there are 21 of them.  The program the the F22 Raptor, America's newest air fighter, &lt;a href="http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123022371"&gt;costs over $60 billion&lt;/a&gt;, and no nation is anywhere near competing with it at this time, nor in the near future (Russia' plane is far away, and they are not so hostile, nor insane).  Now, I'm a fan of national security, secure sovereignty of my home country, and I think the things the military has are hyper-awesome, but the money funneled into this area is far and away more than any science experiment or research project.  (And need I remind the US government, it was research into theoretical physics that lead to the invention that helped end of the Second World War, though at a terrible cost of human life?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, the whole cost question, when in proper context, it nothing to be so worried about.  CERN is not taking away the ability to research new medicines and treatments.  Besides, it is pharmaceutical companies that are failing us right now for not researching the creation of new antibiotics; if germs become immune to all antibiotics (and there are some!), how shall we defend ourselves from disease?  Of course, drug companies invest in what is profitable, so there are tens of penis pills out there.  I feel for the guy with erectile dysfunction, but is this really more important than, say, curing cancer or preventing the next super-bug from causing a terrible pandemic?  So, if we were to go by shear economic desires, we would all have great sex but short lifespans.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Investments have to be more forward thinking than what sells or is desired at the moment.  I know that curing disease and preventing world climate disasters are forward-thinking, but usually people want something practical in the hear and now.  Heck, many people are uninteresting in climate change because it's in the future.  What people want obviously is not the best way to go about giving the people they want.  Passions are whimsical, ephemeral, and never satisfied.  Investments in research should of course at least have some potential for giving something back, but always thinking towards a dollars in-dollars out approach does not lead to the discoveries that can produce entire new industries.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Further, consider that there are always spin-offs that come about when there is a major investment in science projects.  The Apollo program gave use better computers and Velcro.  CERN was the driving force for the creation of the Internet.  As mentioned in the video, the cooling systems at the LHC are to be utilized in the research in producing electricity from fusion.  Who can say what things can come about because of the work in these areas?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, some will argue that these sorts of innovations would have been brought about anyways.  This always seems to be odd to me.  After all, does this mean that Newton does not deserve credit for formulating his laws of motion because someone else would have done it eventually?  By this line of thinking, no one ever deserves much credit for anything.  Such nihilism is not worth further dissection.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, there is the human factor.  Understanding the very fabric of space, the essence of matter and energy, to ability to be familiar with and manipulate time and possibly extra dimensions--knowing where our cosmos has come from, where it is going, where we fit in.  Are these not the sorts of questions we want answered?  Is not an answer to these sorts of things a profit from investment, a kick-back that is eternal and wholesome?  If such a search is not moving to the very soul of a person, I don't know what is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Science has brought us amazing realizations.  Astronomy and physics has shown us that we are all created from the same matter, atoms forged in the furnaces of stars over eons of time, distributed throughout the galaxy.  Is not realizing that we are star stuff one of the ways of seeing our connection to the cosmos, to see we are a part of it, not separate?  When you look into the Orion Nebula, you can see the collapse of clouds of gas and dust, the creation of stars and planetary systems.  You can witness Creation, the formation of new worlds, new earths, new intelligences to be.  Humans have always tied themselves to the workings of the Cosmos.  The Sun tells us when to be awake and to sleep.  The rising of stars told our ancestors when to plant, when to harvest, when to hunt, and how to navigate.  The phases of the moon helped in timing the feminine cycles, and the setting and rising of planets and stars led the imaginations of cultures to see death and rebirth as a part of the universe.  Our life beyond life has been with the stars--the rising sun was the resurrection, the stars were ancestors or angels or gods, the Milky Way was their path.  Modern astronomy has brought us the life and death of stars, along with the realization that death leads to new life.  When humans understand that this is the world we live in, they, no, we can place realize what we are and where we are going.  It cannot be done with ignorance or looking only at a particular problem to be solved.  The understanding of life takes a lifetime.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And physics is one of the ways to see where were are in the world.  The fundamental particles are what we are made of, and knowing their origins and fate guides the answer to our own.  The only other science that I would dare say help us understand out place as well as astronomy/physics would be biology.  And what amazing finds have been found there!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The cost of CERN is large in the short-term, but its cost in comparison to other projects is not so amazing, and its long-term benefits are inestimable.  I won't advocating giving all we have to this one project, but remember that this investment is in our very understanding of everything, including ourselves.  (Perhaps its such discovery that is really scaring people--who we are can be frightening.)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-3518029081897003054?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/3518029081897003054/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=3518029081897003054' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/3518029081897003054'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/3518029081897003054'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/09/worth-cost-yes.html' title='Worth the Cost?  YES!'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-4243168225368547218</id><published>2008-09-11T19:18:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-09-11T19:28:18.140-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='School'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Travel'/><title type='text'>To the State of Confusion . . . er, Ohio</title><content type='html'>In less than a weak now, I will be moving to my new alma matter, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the&lt;/span&gt; Ohio State University.  It's odd that they start about a month after all other universities, but this have given me some time to do research that I could not possibly have the time for once graduate classes start.  I have seen how absorbing of time they are for my girlfriend (whom I love).  However, I won't mind joining a school with a winning football team!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I king of want to get started though.  To get back into the swing of physics problems would be nice, especially if in my first semester I can do quantum theory.  I'd rather do that over classical mechanics or electromagnetism.  If you ever took grad-level physics, you know why this is what I desire.  But, I have to get through it anyways.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wonder how much CERN is going to be a part of my classes as well since they have begun accelerating particles there.  As of now, first collisions are supposed to happen on Oct 21 of this year.  However, it will be a long, long time before useful statistics are collected, and come Christmas Cern will be turned off for repairs.  There won't be any discoveries of the Higg's boson by the end of this year then, at least not at CERN, and I doubt Fermilab will come from behind and demonstrate the existence of this last particle of the Standard Model.  Yet, it is still more likely than CERN destroying the world--by the way, CERN &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;cannot&lt;/span&gt; destroy the world even if the scientists tried.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for CERN, my good friend has posted some answers to &lt;a href="http://sarahinmichigan.blogspot.com/2008/09/i-am-back-and-lhc-is-on.html"&gt;questions about the LHC&lt;/a&gt; at her blog.  She was asked by the school newspaper to answer these questions and she made them more accessible this way.  Good stuff, mein Schatz.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, time for me to pack.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-4243168225368547218?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/4243168225368547218/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=4243168225368547218' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/4243168225368547218'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/4243168225368547218'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/09/to-state-of-confusion-er-ohio.html' title='To the State of Confusion . . . er, Ohio'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-5374494513783450099</id><published>2008-07-28T02:38:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-28T02:52:00.249-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Travel'/><title type='text'>CERN</title><content type='html'>Well, I am here now at &lt;a href="http://user.web.cern.ch/user/Welcome.asp"&gt;CERN&lt;/a&gt;, the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN"&gt;gigantic European particle accelerator&lt;/a&gt; which will be searching for the all-powerful &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson"&gt;Higgs Boson&lt;/a&gt;.  Well, it would be all-powerful if it exists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, until then, let me assure you this is NOT happening:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.boonedocks.com/site/images_boonesville/fark7/deathray_640.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px;" src="http://www.boonedocks.com/site/images_boonesville/fark7/deathray_640.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;. . . or is it?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-5374494513783450099?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/5374494513783450099/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=5374494513783450099' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5374494513783450099'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5374494513783450099'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/07/cern.html' title='CERN'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-4995194167390689161</id><published>2008-07-25T03:12:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-25T03:15:30.799-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Travel'/><title type='text'>Leavin', on a Jet Plane</title><content type='html'>Well, I'm off to cross the pond again in order to see someone very special to me.  At the moment, the bus is taking me to the airport, and in about 18 hours I will (hopefully) be on the ground in Germany.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I just hope I can sleep well on the flight.  With my luck, there will be a six-month old right behind me.  Oh well.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-4995194167390689161?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/4995194167390689161/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=4995194167390689161' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/4995194167390689161'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/4995194167390689161'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/07/leavin-on-jet-plane.html' title='Leavin&apos;, on a Jet Plane'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-7677592024210993051</id><published>2008-06-30T14:23:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-12-12T19:56:56.009-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Ich liebe dich</title><content type='html'>Gutten Tag, Sarah.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ich wollte schreiben dir und informierte dich, wie viel ich sorge mich für dich.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ich liebe dich, mein schöne Schatz, dieses viel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/SGlfarDMepI/AAAAAAAAACU/OtiXq7ejjAI/s1600-h/DSC03034.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/SGlfarDMepI/AAAAAAAAACU/OtiXq7ejjAI/s400/DSC03034.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5217806555122793106" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please correct my German.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[UPDATE]&lt;br /&gt;Corrections with the help of my wonderful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Guten Tag&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ich wollte dir schreiben und dir sagen, wie sehr ich dich mag.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ich liebe dich so sehr, mein schöner Schatz.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-7677592024210993051?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/7677592024210993051/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=7677592024210993051' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/7677592024210993051'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/7677592024210993051'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/06/ich-liebe-dich.html' title='Ich liebe dich'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/SGlfarDMepI/AAAAAAAAACU/OtiXq7ejjAI/s72-c/DSC03034.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-8790076259412350722</id><published>2008-05-05T20:36:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-05-05T21:35:47.748-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='China'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History Channel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pseudoscience'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>What Happened to the History Channel?</title><content type='html'>I am back home from college, finally completing my degrees at MSU, and so I am watching TV again (I didn't have one in my room on purpose).  Often the stuff on television I find dreadful, especially the omnipresent commercials for things I could care less about.  But, I figure there are channels that are worth while when it comes to things that are entertaining and educating, at least if I am interested in nonfiction.  I really enjoy &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Mythbusters&lt;/span&gt;, and the science channels can have something enjoyable to me that is informative to an astronomer (with a BS).  One of my favorite channels was the History Channel, which for a long time could have simply been called the World War II channel because most every show was either about the war or tried in incorporate stock footage of the war.  I am sure that you could see the explosions of ships at Pearl Harbor at least once a day on that station.  The channel had a lot of interesting series, such as &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Great Blunders in History&lt;/span&gt;, or more recently &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Universe&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unfortunately, the channel has been broadcasting nonsense as well.  There have been numerous shows, old and new, about the prophecies of Nostradamus, who is referred to by Penn &amp;amp; Teller on &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Bullshit&lt;/span&gt; as a "French Fuck".  Indeed, his "prophecies" were vague and were probably not created for readers in the 21st century but to make himself useful/popular in his own time.  I think Michael Shermer has said that he may have used these quatrains for political purposes, containing hidden messages no different than John Swift with &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Guliver's Travels&lt;/span&gt;.  Anyhow, the History Channel has brought this figure up too often, speaking as if there was something real in them, that Nostradamus produced genuine and accurate prophecies of the future.  Sure, there is the token skeptic at the end, but there is still an hour of your brain on vacation.  Things become all the worse with shows about the Bible Code, UFOs and abductions, and more pseudoscience nonsense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I became particularly outraged by a recent episode of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ancient Discoveries&lt;/span&gt;.  The original three episodes talked about the ancient Mediterranean world, with inventors like Heron, or the great doctor Galen, and the amazing Antikythera mechanism--this was a planetary calculator before the Common Era.  I was blown away by this data of the ancient world and loved the production.  Recently, these series has expanded.  What I saw at 10:00 PM on Cinco de Mayo what about Chinese shipbuilding, all from the Common Era I think.  They talked about some rather interesting boats, including the Junk-style boat which is still used today.  I found this all interesting and I probably would have been just as floored by this show in the first half hour if I was more awake at the time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second half of the show decided to take a different turn, buying a ticket to crazy town.  Perhaps some have heard of the book&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; 1421: The Year China Discovered the World&lt;/span&gt;.  Produced by Gavin Menzies, a former submarine sailor (not a historian), this book proposes that China has reached the Americas in the 15th century with boats on a voyage of discovery before the time of Columbus.  Menzies "evidence" consists of some maps he found in shops which he claims go back to 15th century China.  Experts know better.  Along with some bogus claims about DNA evidence backing up the claim for recent infusion of Chinese DNA, that is pretty much the evidence.  This "theory" is dismissed by experts on China.  After all, we have very good records from China because of the advanced and sophisticated bureaucracy of the government which make no mention of such a discovery of the Americas.  One would think that would make the papers, especially in well-educated China (compared to Europe at the same time).  There are also no ship finds on the Americas of 15th century Chinese ships, such as Junks, at all.  The proposed ships for the travel are not even considered seaworthy for the Pacific Ocean.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yet, this History Channel episode spent about half the time talking about this "theory", including an interview with Menzies and other supporters of this work.  Spending this much time of this hypothesis of Menzies with little skepticism casts the light that this "theory" is on par with the consensus of scholars and historians that such a notion is bogus.  Never mind that there is plenty &lt;a href="http://www.1421exposed.com/"&gt;online&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.historycooperative.org/cgi-bin/justtop.cgi?act=justtop&amp;amp;url=http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/jwh/15.2/finlay.html"&gt;in journals&lt;/a&gt; to debunk this book, making the presentation on TV without greater criticism intellectually dishonest, but how there is an attempt to prove the theory is even more disgusting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Oregon, some amateurs attempt to look for one of these Junk ships on the shore, going by Menzies work.  Now, to find such a ship on the Western shores of the Americas is quite the trick; the coastline is so long how can you make a choice of where to look?  Well, apparently they know how to find the ship and know its approximate size before digging it up.  How?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dowsing rods.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I kid you not.  Taking a couples of metal sticks, which people have claimed for generations can find water, now can find 15th century Chinese treasure ships.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe this isn't hitting you hard enough.  These folks, with apparently no archaeological training, are trying to prove a pseudo-historical claim by using pseudoscience?  Apparently astrology is part of the equation as well since apparently the Sun affects how the rods work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are even more problems with this "dig" as well.  After figuring out where the "stern" of this "boat" is in the ground, they drill down into the sand of the beach using a plastic pipe and forcing a running hose into it to push sand away and get down deeper until they reach wood.  Then they take a drill and bring up some wood for sampling and C14 dating.  Um, how do they know that wood is from a Chinese ship and not, say, a canoe?  Worse is that this method of getting the wood of the "ship" does not allow for any &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratification_%28archeology%29"&gt;stratigraphy&lt;/a&gt;, the archaeological method of examining layers in the ground to get relative dating.  If you cannot do this, you are wasting everyone's time when the matter is finding the correct date of the burial of this object.  After all, even if this was a Chinese Junk ship, it could be from the 19th century instead of the 15th.  Also, if you want to do C14 dating, you have to get samples from multiple parts of the "ship" to get reliable dates and recognize outliers in any statistics produced.  One core sample is not enough, especially with such a crude method of extraction and preservation of the materials in question.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The entire second half of this episode was junk after talking about Junk ships.  How could this have passed by any thinking executive at the History Channel.  And this was no accident.  Going to see the author of this book, to spend days with the diggers of this "ship" in Oregon, and to have the most minimal level of skepticism displayed by the expert on Chinese history, can only be deliberate.  Either the creators of this episode were ignorant of the quality of Menzies' thesis, or were actively trying to save it from criticism.  If they were ignorant about the history, they how can they have any right to do anything for the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;History&lt;/span&gt; Channel?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am simply appalled that such utter crap scholarship has reached a mass audience, and now through the vehicle of Fox News.  I already have a negative view on the contents of American television; do these networks have to go out of their way to make it worse?  Sure I can make fun of this station talking about the modern marvel that is corn, but at least that has good history behind it.  I don't want any woo with my shows, thank you very much.  Not only do they waste my time, they harm the intellectual level of the people of the US.  It is a well-informed public that allows for a democracy to work.  Filling the heads of voters with utter garbage and no way to differentiate between crap and history/science/reality is a great way for things to go awry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So please History Channel: Call back Roger Mudd and do more Hitler shows.  How about a Modern Marvels episode about Hitler and Stalin's mustaches?  It's at least more intellectual and honest that this &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Kuhscheiße&lt;/span&gt; I saw this evening.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-8790076259412350722?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/8790076259412350722/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=8790076259412350722' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8790076259412350722'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8790076259412350722'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/05/what-happened-to-history-channel.html' title='What Happened to the History Channel?'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-106804343372726958</id><published>2008-04-19T13:01:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2008-04-19T13:45:37.912-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intelligent Design'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Expelled'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Creationism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ID'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Movie'/><title type='text'>Wow, It Really DID Suck!</title><content type='html'>Well, it looks like my critics of the film &lt;a href="http://www.expelledexposed.com/"&gt;Expelled&lt;/a&gt; need not be looked at because the critics have weighed in.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ooblick.com/weblog/2008/04/19/expelled-in-good-company/"&gt;Epsilon Cue&lt;/a&gt; has a post showing the rating of Expelled compared to many other movies that are considered by most thinking people to be absolutely terrible.  The ratings come from &lt;a href="http://www.rottentomatoes.com"&gt;Rotten Tomatoes&lt;/a&gt;, which gauges a movie's quality by the percentage of good and bad reviews from many critics.  If a movie is 60% or better approved by critics, it is considered "fresh", and less it is rotten.  Sometimes you get something pretty messed-up, such as the movie &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Plan 9 from Outer Space&lt;/span&gt; (1956) which is elevated more due to cult status than anything else.  But here is some perspective given by Epsilon Cue:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Robot Monster&lt;/span&gt; (1953): 27%--this movie is simply terrible.  I saw it through Mystery Science Theater 3000 which made it tolerable, but the level of thinking that went into the movie itself (especially the repetitive ending) must have been nonexistent.  I can understand a low budget, but that is no excuse for a low movie-making I.Q.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Dude, Where's My Car&lt;/span&gt; (2000): 18%--again, I have unfortunately seen much of this movie since my brother was somehow amused by it.  Crap all the way through and it makes it difficult for me to give any credence to Ashton Kutcher's acting abilities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Crossroads&lt;/span&gt; (2002): 15%--before Britney was completely crazy, but when her acting skilled still sucked.  I am glad I put a lot of distance between myself and this film.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Left Behind -- The Movie&lt;/span&gt; (2001): 12%--it does well in church basements but it lacks much redeeming quality.  However, I suspect it is still better than the video game based on the book series which every video game critic I have heard agrees it was terrible through and through.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Catwoman&lt;/span&gt; (2004): 10%--argh, stay away.  (I can't believe it's already four years old.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I skipped a few of the movies on the list to avoid boredom, especially since some I am less familiar with.  But how about a few more?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spice World&lt;/span&gt; (1997): 29%--wait, someone thought this movie was worth seeing?  A movie about the pop group Spice Girls?  And before Victoria was a Beckham?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Manos: Hands of Fate &lt;/span&gt;(1966): 6%--this movie SUCKED!  It is the worst movie I have yet come across.  Acting, lighting, film angles, editing, music quality, plot, meaning; any criteria you can name, this movie failed.  The only thing that made it possible to see is (again) &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Mystery Science Theater 3000&lt;/span&gt;, and even the people there agree it was the world movie they ever had to deal with.  (RT gives the MST3K episode of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Manos&lt;/span&gt; a 82%, very respectable and deserved.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Gigli&lt;/span&gt; (2003): 6%--everyone agrees this movie was a mistake.  Ben is not the greatest actor and an excuse to see his chest is not worth a movie ticket, especially if you don't have any attraction to him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Battlefield Earth&lt;/span&gt; (2000): 3%--when Hollywood does a movie from the founder of Scientology, what should you expect?  An A-List actor being brain-washed into selling out his career.  John, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Grease&lt;/span&gt; was great and all, and who can forget &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Pulp Fiction&lt;/span&gt;, but I can't give any respect for this film.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And what about Ben Stein's film:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/expelled_no_intelligence_allowed/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (2008): 9% (at the time of this blog entry).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hence, based on the current number of reviews (23) and the percentages, this movie is on par with &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Manos, Battlefield Earth, &lt;/span&gt;and &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Catwoman&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It perhaps should be no surprise that on the of the only two positive reviews of the movie come from a writer at &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Christianity Today&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/reviews/2008/expelled.html"&gt;Mark Moring&lt;/a&gt;.  He seems to be aware of the fiasco that went into the screening of the movie and the like, but still tries to squeeze out some redeeming value.  A very odd this is mentioned by Moring: "And filmmakers can't be accused of denying Darwin proponents equal opportunity."  Um, no.  Their opinions were gathered, and under false pretenses to get the canned answers they wanted (Michael Shermer makes that point about his interview by Stein), and none of the people that promote and use evolution in their disciplines that are religious are avoided, such as Ken Miller.  How can equal time be said to be given if only a few are shown and not about the evidence for or against evolution?  This statement by Moring sounds like a ID talking point to me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All in all, the movie is agreed to be crap, not even counting the reviews by Richard Dawkins, Scientific American, or New Scientist just to name a few.  And I suspect as more reviews come in, such as by Ebert and other film critics, the percentage will likely go down.  I will update as I see fit.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-106804343372726958?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/106804343372726958/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=106804343372726958' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/106804343372726958'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/106804343372726958'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/04/wow-it-really-did-suck.html' title='Wow, It Really DID Suck!'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-821691724642888067</id><published>2008-04-18T09:27:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-04-18T10:06:05.457-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intelligent Design'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evolution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Expelled'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Creationism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ID'/><title type='text'>The F Word</title><content type='html'>Well, the movie &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Expelled&lt;/span&gt; comes out today in about 1000 theaters, and I haven't the foggiest idea how well it will do at the box office.  They are doing some posturing, setting up a David vs. Goliath metaphor and saying they may do better than expected.  But even if they do well, they have a significant legal battle with XVIVO and now Yoko Ono because of the unlicensed use of John Lennon's song &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Imagine&lt;/span&gt;.  I wonder if &lt;a href="http://www.expelledexposed.com/"&gt;Expelled E&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.expelledexposed.com/"&gt;xposed&lt;/a&gt; will put up something on that subject in the near future; the blog Panda's Thumb has had numerous posts on the subject.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Speaking of that site, Dave Thomas recently put up a post with a scan from the of the "Leader's DVD" (whatever that means), and it has this to say:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/outreach.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 418px; height: 251px;" src="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/outreach.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;"Whoa" indeed.  The purpose of the movie is made clear by that key word: Faith.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then again, which faith?  Not Ken Miller's, or Francis Collins', and many others' faith in their respective religion.  No, this is a very narrow take on what is "real" Christianity and "real" Christian faith.  Obviously the issue of what is the "correct" way of reading Genesis is not black and white, and the people that have produced &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Expelled&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/04/chris-heard-why.html"&gt;purposefully avoided interviewing scientists that had no problem reconciling Genesis and evolution&lt;/a&gt;.  Claiming that such people would have "confused the film unnecessarily" as producer Mark Mathis stated himself only shows that these people are not really about debate and open discussion but in trying to sell their particular brand of their particular religion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, I am a critic of religion in general, but I also know that there is a massive continuum of positions in any religion.  Buddhists can be pacifists, activists, or Kamikazes; Muslims can be advocates for freedom of speech and humans rights or terrorists; Christians can be generous or tyrannical.  There is no one-size-fits-all to these sorts of things.  Religion does not necessarily mean you have exactly the same view as your priest, pastor, rabbi, imam, guru, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, what we really have here is just on take on one major religion and pretending that there can be no debate on what is a "real" Christian.  It seems ironic to me that many people criticize the "new" atheists like Dawkins and Harris for not seeing these nuances and not realizing there are many different ways to be Christian, Muslim, etc., but then some Christians shout that they &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;are&lt;/span&gt; the true believers and all others are wrong.  Hmm, imagine that.  Someone thinks that their dogma is unassailable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This movie is a disservice to any sort of dialog on what it means to have any faith, even if I think all religious faiths are extraneous.  There are no fine lines, no simply black-and-white stances, and I think enough people realize that.  Heck, even the "fundamentalist" atheists realize this from what I can tell.  (Their point is that unreason and dogma can and will cause more harm than good and this must be dealt with head-on with philosophy, science, and debate--note that no guns or swords are supposed to be used to convert, which is what fundies may do if they could like they did in the Dark Ages.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are religious and wonder about the intersection of science and religion, you won't be getting any straight or good or useful answers or discussions in this movie.  There are much smarter people that Ben Stein that have been and are arguing on these subjects, such as Augustine and Thomas Aquinas.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-821691724642888067?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/821691724642888067/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=821691724642888067' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/821691724642888067'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/821691724642888067'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/04/f-word.html' title='The F Word'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-4498742572001672480</id><published>2008-04-14T16:19:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-04-14T16:34:07.991-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intelligent Design'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nazism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Copyright'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evolution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Expelled'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Creationism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Discovery Institute'/><title type='text'>More on Expelled Exposed</title><content type='html'>The movie will be coming out soon, and may be &lt;a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/04/will-the-public.html"&gt;infringing&lt;/a&gt; on the &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/04/peter_irons_drafts_a_letter.php"&gt;copyright&lt;/a&gt; of a cell biology video used before by &lt;a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/04/david-bolinsky.html"&gt;William Dembski&lt;/a&gt; without permission.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But more importantly, the Website &lt;a href="http://expelledexposed.com/"&gt;Expelled Exposed&lt;/a&gt; needs as many links to it as possible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://expelledexposed.com/"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://expelledexposed.com/"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://expelledexposed.com/"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://expelledexposed.com/"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://expelledexposed.com/"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://expelledexposed.com/"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://expelledexposed.com/"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://expelledexposed.com/"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://expelledexposed.com/"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://expelledexposed.com/"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://expelledexposed.com/"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://expelledexposed.com/"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know this is a link bomb, but I have two good reasons for doing it.&lt;br /&gt;1.  The movie is terrible in its scholarship and needs to be dealt with unless it should have its misinformation be unchallenged and do major damage to science and culture in this country.&lt;br /&gt;2.  I had emailed the people of that website to make use of my previous blog entry on the connection between Darwinism and Nazism.  I was emailed back and told that it could be of use.  So, all the more reason to link: I am linking to myself, sort of.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And from the reviews I have seen, they agree that the movie has a terrible premise and is poorly executed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note: At the time of this blog post, &lt;a href="www.ExpelledExposed.com"&gt;Expelled Exposed&lt;/a&gt; comes up on the sixth page when searching for the word "&lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;amp;client=firefox-a&amp;amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;amp;hs=vss&amp;amp;q=expelled&amp;amp;btnG=Search"&gt;expelled&lt;/a&gt;".  However, I have also noticed that &lt;a href="www.ExpelledExposed.com"&gt;Expelled Exposed&lt;/a&gt; is the only thing found in the Sponsored Link section on Google, just to the right of the searched links.  So, &lt;a href="www.ExpelledExposed.com"&gt;Expelled Exposed&lt;/a&gt; could use a boost up, but it will be on every page Google turns up on &lt;a href="www.ExpelledExposed.com"&gt;Expelled&lt;/a&gt; now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-4498742572001672480?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/4498742572001672480/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=4498742572001672480' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/4498742572001672480'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/4498742572001672480'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/04/more-on-expelled-exposed.html' title='More on Expelled Exposed'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-8732044553695224069</id><published>2008-03-29T19:08:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2008-03-30T10:42:50.188-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intelligent Design'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nazism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evolution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Expelled'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hitler'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>The Third Reich and the Holocaust--By Darwin or by God's Will?</title><content type='html'>Since the primary claim of the movie Expelled, hosted by Ben Stein to the point of teary-eyed boredom, is to make the connection between Darwin's theory of natural selection and the events of the Holocaust, I have decided to look critically at what were the major motivations of the Third Reich's will to kill off millions of Jews and other "undesirables" during Word War II.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Before I get into this, let me first start with Hitler's nemesis, Joseph Stalin, leader of the USSR during the Second World War.  Stalin's tyranny in Russia was comparable to that of Hitler in Germany, killing off many opponents, both real and imagined.  From what I can tell, when it comes to saying who was more evil--Stalin or Hitler--the jury is still out.  Stalin's only saving grace would be winning the war and stopping Hitler.  This hardly gets him off the hook for being cruel, but let's leave this aside.  When it comes to Stalin, did evolutionary thinking come to mind?  Did he accept Darwinian evolution and apply it to his populace?  The answer is an &lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA006_2.html"&gt;emphatic no&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;a href="http://www.talkreason.org/articles/eandp.cfm"&gt;Stalin did not accept Darwinian evolution&lt;/a&gt;--instead, he took on the debunked Lamarkian evolutionary scheme of nature, a theory which had been disproved and disbanded mostly before Darwin wrote his &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Origin of Species&lt;/span&gt;.  So, before Stein makes a sequel to Expelled trying to link Stalin to Darwin, this bud should be properly nipped.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, on to the meat and potatoes of this post.  The thesis of the movie is this (the quoted material is at the bottom of the page and needs to be highlighted to be seen):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.expelledthemovie.com/chronicle.php?article=11"&gt;Many scenes are centered around the Berlin Wall, and Ben Stein being Jewish actually visits many death camps and death showers. In fact, Nazi Germany is the thread that ties everything in the movie together. Evolution leads to atheism leads to eugenics leads to Holocaust and Nazi Germany.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;What elements played in the minds of Hitler and other high-up officials in the Third Reich that caused one of the worst abominations to humanity?  Firstly, how much of the element is based on divine thinking?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A lot.  Let us look at what Hitler had to say about his motivations:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Firstly, was Hitler an atheist?  Let's see what are some of the things he said and did.  When Hitler came to power as Chancellor of Germany on January 30, 1933, his actions after that spoke loudly.  One of his earliest actions came less than one month after Hitler became Chancellor when he began a campaign against the "godless movement".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;A campaign against the "godless movement" was announced by Bernard Rust, Nazi commissioner for education and culture in Prussia, in an address Tuesday night before students at the technical university here. He said the details would be revealed in the next few days. In his speech opening the campaign for the Reichstag and Prussian diet elections, Hitler attacked communists for the spread of atheism.  (&lt;a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/unknown/hitler.html"&gt;Hitler Aims Blow at 'Godless' Move, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Lansing State Journal&lt;/span&gt;, February 23, 1933&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;The same report from the AP says that Hitler is [was] a Catholic.  Thus, according to the papers, Hitler fought against the godless and wanted Catholic support for this.  So, if the Stein thesis is to be taken seriously, it has already reached a major hurdle: if evolution leads to atheism and Hitler believed in evolution and it did not lead to atheism in the Nazi movement, then the first premise is falsified.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hitler's words in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Mein Kampf&lt;/span&gt; are also illuminating.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;His life is really only of this world, and his spirit is as alien to true Christianity, for instance, as his nature was two thousand years ago to the Sublime Founder of the new doctrine...But for this [opposing the Jews], of course, Christ was crucified, while our present party Christianity disgraces itself begging for Jewish votes in the elections and later tries to conduct political wirepulling with atheistic Jewish parties, and this against their own nation (pp. 422-3).&lt;/blockquote&gt;Note especially the link between atheism and &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Jews&lt;/span&gt;; that is, Hitler links his racial hatred and the people he considered to be the cause of Germany's problems to be in the same boat as atheists.  We can also see that this element comes about from Hitler's Christian faith that is quite antisemitic.  Hitler also says that a Jewish state be less spiritual and "religion is ridiculed" (p. 450).  Further on April 26, 1933, Hitler signed the &lt;i&gt;Nazi-Vatican Concordat&lt;/i&gt;, and stated:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no  religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without religious  foundation is built on air; consequently all character training and religion  must be derived from faith... (Norman H. Baynes, ed. &lt;i&gt;The Speeches of Adolf  Hitler&lt;/i&gt;, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press,  1942).&lt;/blockquote&gt;A concordat is an agreement between a religious organization and at political body of another nation.  So, not only was the Nazi party siding against atheist and atheism, but it was working with the Vatican.  So, where is Hitler's atheism?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is only one source in all the literature that gives us any hint that Hitler lacked a theistic belief.  This would be Hitler's &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Table Talk&lt;/span&gt;, a collection of accounts of what the Furer said.  The notes taken come primary from the years 1941-2.  However, these very few statements which seem to run contrary to Hitler's other deeds and statements, appear to be forgeries by a French-speaking Swiss man, Francois Genoud, how was one of the primary translators of one of the manuscript traditions of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Table Talk&lt;/span&gt; (Richard Carrier, "Hitler's Table Talk, Troubling Finds" &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;German Studies Review&lt;/span&gt; 26:3 October 2003).  In the other manuscript tradition(s), these key anti-Christian statements are either absent or they are the exact opposite of what Hitler was made out to say.  For example, in the version that comes from Genoud reads as such: "Our epoch will see the end of the disease of Christianity."  However, the better version does not include this statement at all.  There is one point that is more-or-less anti-Catholic in which Hitler disagrees with the idea of the one true church (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;die alleinseligmachende Kirche&lt;/span&gt;).  And that is about it when it comes to Hitler being an atheist.  The only last thing that can possibly make him so would be Hitler's use of Nietzsche, but Nietzsche was an &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;anti&lt;/span&gt;-antisemite and anti-nationalist.  Just read Nietzsche's &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Gay Science&lt;/span&gt; (I prefer the Kaufmann translation) and you can see how this criticism of nationalism in Germany (and other nations for that matter) as well as antisemitism.  Further, Nietzsche broke off his friendship with Richard Wagner, the great composer known best for his &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ride of the Valkyries&lt;/span&gt;, because Wagner had strong antisemitic tendencies. This is all well known and need not be taken apart in detail.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, it seems that atheism was not in the mindset of the Fuhrer, and I know of nothing that says any other high-ranking official was an atheist in the Nazi party.  In fact, the details given above would suggest that allegiance to the party required a theistic stance, since it was communists that were atheists.  But was there at least Darwinism in there?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To answer this question, a bit of digging into the Nazi archives is needed.  &lt;i&gt;Die Bücherei&lt;/i&gt;, the official Nazi    journal, in 1935 produced a list of things not to be taught:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;      Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals       with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and       Monism (279).&lt;/blockquote&gt;Apparently, the science was not allowed and was rejected between the times of Hitler's rise to power and the Final Solution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What about Hitler's &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;magnum opus&lt;/span&gt;?  In &lt;a href="http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200601.txt"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Mein Kampf&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, the word "Darwin" in any form does not appear at all.  In only six cases do I find anything in relation to biological evolution (though the word "revolution" is used &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ad nauseum&lt;/span&gt; by Hitler).  Let us see if Hitler actually understood biology all that well.  In the first case, Hitler talks about the strong not breeding with the weak.  However, Hitler is mistaken when he says "&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;[e]very crossing between two breeds which are not quite equal results in a product which holds an intermediate place between the levels of the two parents."  The point of sexual reproduction is that genetic information can get swapped around into new combinations that can bring about offspring with characteristics that are superior to the previous genome from either parent.  Otherwise, why not just still with asexual reproduction and just "clone" oneself?  Also, this notion of a place "between" parents in quality is a human construct here, for the sense of "better" does not exist in nature--only better &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;adapted&lt;/span&gt;.  Besides, if this was how nature worked, species could never get "better" but only reach some sort of medium amongst all the breeding members of a population; there is no "goo, to the zoo, and then to you" as creationists say in this paradigm.  This sort of thinking from Hitler is not to be found in Darwin's &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Origin&lt;/span&gt;; rather, it comes from Hitler's (poor) understanding of nature, and I can bet the farm that he did not examine nature as carefully as Charles Darwin.  Hitler also errs in the same paragraph when he says "&lt;/span&gt;for if&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt; such a law did not direct the process of evolution then the higher&lt;/span&gt; development of organic life would not be conceivable at all."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moving on, we find this next statement&lt;span style="font-family:monospace;"&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If Nature does not wish that weaker individuals should mate with the&lt;span style="font-family:monospace;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;stronger, she wishes even less that a superior race should intermingle&lt;span style="font-family:monospace;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;with an inferior one; because in such a case all her efforts, throughout&lt;span style="font-family:monospace;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;hundreds of thousands of years, to establish an evolutionary higher&lt;span style="font-family:monospace;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;stage of being, may thus be rendered futile.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here Hitler makes the common mistake that most Creationists make, that evolution has a hierarchy of what speices are "better" or "worse" than another.  It is simply false; species (or races) are only better or worse &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;adapted&lt;/span&gt; to their environment.  What is "better" to humans is completely subjective.  For example, which is better: greater strength or greater intelligence?  Both have advantages and one without the other can be poorly adaptive.  Another example: better food-gatherer or a better lover in bed?  The later has the obvious advantage of producing more children, though the former is good in making sure those offspring are fed.  Again, it is a matter of balancing what is better for a given situation.  As for morally better, that first requires knowing what things are and are not moral, to which arguments are without end.  In any case, it has nothing to do with biological evolution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The next point where Hitler mentions evolution in a biological setting has little to do with racism; it is more in relation to evolutionary psychology, and Hitler is no Steven Pinker.  Hitler speaks of the formation of instincts in higher forms of animals, of things going from the conscious to the subconscious.  Firstly, to have something be done consciously in order to change the phenotypes of a race is not Darwinian but Lamarkian evolution.  Further, Hitler's argument would have us believe than lower animals were self-aware, when it seems to be the case that instincts have formed in all creatures, even though that are no self-aware, such as dolphins and primates.  Again, Hitler demonstrates his lack of understanding of nature.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hitler's next statement is of little consequence: "Organization is a thing that derives its existence from&lt;span style="font-family:monospace;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;organic life, organic evolution."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Every other times Hitler uses "evolution" it is a context of social or political evolution.  Thus, biology is only a subtext to further his argument for what the State should do or has done.  But there is one question that remains: how much of this understanding is Darwinian or necessarily based on Darwinian theory?  From what I can tell, not in the least.  His proposals on life's evolution is more Lamarkian than Darwinian and his understanding of genetics is not worth talking about.  Further, his understanding of breeding is in the category of what humans had been doing for centuries with dogs, cows, horses, plants, etc.  Artificial selection was something well understood before Darwin was born; even our most primitive ancestors that farmed had a sense of this form of breeding.  Because of this already existing knowledge, not to mention that Darwin is never mentioned in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Mein Kampf&lt;/span&gt;, nor the phrase "survival of the fittest", the connection between Darwin and the Nazi movement is not apparent; worse, Hitler's notions are contrary to Darwin's work at times.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a survey of other materials on the web from those that argue Hitler's ideology is based on Darwinian thinking, no other examples seem to exist.  Rather, the arguments presented appear to be more in tune with the line of thought that because Darwin showed humans are animals then their moral worth is minimized.  This is simply then a con-job, taking the wool over the eyes of the reader so that they do not ask for direct evidence of Darwinian thinking in the Holocaust.  The argument is not that Hitler was a Darwinist, but that he saw no value in certain humans.  And since very few examples where Darwin is shown to be the primary influence, it seems worthy to investigate a different source for Hitler's policies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let us now look at what Hitler believed when it came to religion.  I have already pointed out that he was not an atheist and there is no evidence he ever was.  The papers reported he was a Catholic and nothing seems to contradict this--he may not have been an ideal Catholic since he did not accept the church to be the only way to heaven, but he still qualifies as a Christian.  In Hitler's statements he seems to actually use religion as the reason for his actions against Jews:&lt;br /&gt;   &lt;blockquote&gt;Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will       of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am       fighting for the work of the Lord (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Mein Kampf&lt;/span&gt;, p. 65)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Also in the same books:&lt;span style="font-family:monospace;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;A folk-State should in the first place raise matrimony from the level of being a constant scandal to the race. The State should consecrate it as an institution which is called upon to produce creatures made in the likeness of the Lord and not create monsters that are a mixture of man&lt;span style="font-family:monospace;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;and ape.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The mixing of races then is not simply a matter of biology; it is a matter of keeping humans in the likeness of God.  Hitler repeats this thought later on:&lt;span style="font-family:monospace;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:monospace;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Their very existence [of Jews] is an incarnate denial of the beauty of God's image in His creation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Hitler also prays in his book:&lt;span style="font-family:monospace;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Almighty God, bless our arms when the hour comes. Be just, as Thou hast always been just. Judge now if we deserve our freedom. Lord, bless our struggle.&lt;/blockquote&gt;There are no prayers to Darwin, or to science, or to reason for that matter.  When it comes to science, Hitler is actually more likely a Creationist.  As seen above, he invoked The Creation into his argument.  In other parts, it is even clearer his thoughts on science.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the first edition of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Mein Kampf&lt;/span&gt; Hitler said "this planet will, as it did thousands of    years ago, move through the ether devoid of men" (p. 65).  In the second edition, "thousands" is changed to millions.  The world was not devoid of humans thousands of years ago.  The first &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Homo sapiens sapiens&lt;/span&gt; existed over 100,000 years ago.  However, if Hitler lacked clarity there in other places it is more clear:&lt;br /&gt;   &lt;blockquote&gt;The undermining of the existence of human culture by the       destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish       philosophy the most execrable crime.  Anyone who dares to lay       hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against       the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the       expulsion from paradise (p. 383).&lt;/blockquote&gt;Also:&lt;span style="font-family:monospace;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Thus they put an end to their own separate existence; for the original sin committed in Paradise has always been followed by the expulsion of the guilty parties.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Apparently, Hitler believed in the creation of humans in God's image and the expulsion from Paradise as recounted in Genesis.  And another point helps as well in showing that Hitler believed God was the Creator:&lt;br /&gt;   &lt;blockquote&gt;What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and       reproduction of our race and our people, . . . so that our people       may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the       creator of the universe (p. 214).&lt;/blockquote&gt;How about some more?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The act which brings about such a development [of the superiority of races being lowered] is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;It seems pretty obvious that Hitler believed in a creator god and had a notion of sin.  He believed in the Garden of Eden, in a young earth, and argued that the lessening in quality of the Aryan race was against, not Nature, but God.  Natural selection is not part of the equation at all in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Mein Kampf&lt;/span&gt;.  This line of thought was repeated by Hitler even after he came to power.  On August 26, 1934:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real Christianity....For their interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life... These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles! (Norman H. Baynes, ed. &lt;i&gt;The Speeches of Adolf  Hitler&lt;/i&gt;, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press,  1942.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Also notice that Hitler was against any "atheist movement[s]" and that we stated what he did was based completely on Christian principles.  &lt;a href="http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Genocide.cfm"&gt;Hector Avalos&lt;/a&gt;, an excellent biblical scholar, has put together a collection of points that show were such evil principles can come from in the Bible.  One thing that he notes is that some of the defenders of genocide are in fact &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Christians&lt;/span&gt;!  For example, Jonathan Sarfati, an Australian Young-Earth creationist with a Ph.D. in chemistry and mentioned on Answers in Genesis, defends the genocides of the Old Testament.  There is also Reuben A. Torrey, the famed fundamentalist apologist.  However, what really scared me was that William Lang Craig, probably one of the smartest Christian apologists today, &lt;a href="http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&amp;amp;id=5767"&gt;defends the genocides done by the Jews in the Old Testament because God said it was the thing to do&lt;/a&gt;.  So, if God says it is okay to kill any number of people, then it is morally okay.  This to me is sickening and frightening.  This means that if Craig has a bad sandwich last night, had a dream that had Jesus telling him to kill anyone that is critical of him, and Craig reads this blog, then Craig would fell justified in killing me in cold blood without a second thought.  And this is perhaps the smartest of the Christians.  Well, no wonder Hitler could justify the Holocaust based on God-think!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, I could add more quotes from Hitler and other Nazis to make the point, but it would be of little value.  What is obvious is that Darwinian evolution had little or nothing to do with Hitler's policies, while his Christian faith was a much more prominent element in his determination for killing Jews.  And with the antisemitism of the New Testament, that is not hard to do.  Matthew 27:25 has the Jews accepting the blame for the death of Jesus.  Acts 3:14-5 repeats the charge, which is repeated many more times in Acts.  Paul seems to say this too in 1 Thessalonians  2:15-6.  The Catholic Church did not remove the charge of deicide from the heads of all Jews until Vatican II under Pope John XXIII.  And according to Christopher Hitches in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;god is Not Great&lt;/span&gt;, the only high-ranking Nazi to be excommunicated was Joseph Guebbels.  Why?  Because of his crimes against humanity?  He married a Protestant.  Pope Pius XII never excommunicated any Nazi&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;"&gt; (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica;"&gt;R.L. Simpson, "&lt;i&gt;Vatican charges it is target of a 'slanderous campaign'  in connection with Pope Pius XII&lt;/i&gt;." Associated Press, 2001-AUG-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;07) though he did &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-family: georgia;" href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/vat_hol12.htm"&gt;excommunicate a few German Catholics&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;"&gt; for choosing cremation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, to say that Hitler's actions were pro-Darwin and anti-Christian is unfounded and the reverse is more likely.  However, one should also consider the historical circumstances.  After all, Britain did not have a campaign to wide out Jews like Nazi Germany did, nor did France or the USA.  Firstly, it must be remembered that Hitler had an abusive father, as did Stalin, so the psychology of such an evil person is more likely due to his upbringing than his denomination.  Further, Germany had gone through a terrible war, a humiliating defeat, and a devastated economy.  Hitler's message of national hope and promise, coupled with the citing of the agent that destroyed Germany (the Jews in Hitler's mind, and many others as well), combined with the prejudices ingrained into the people that Hitler commanded--these agencies seem to be much more likely candidates for what caused the Holocaust.  It would be sloppy to say any one agent brought about the evils of the Third Reich.  Simply blaming it on Darwin or Christian dogma would be foolish.  Of the two, Christianity was by far the more potent in causing the Holocaust, but not all Christians are mass murders, so more elements are required than just indoctrination.  However, it must also be pointed out that Christian morals did not cease the growth of the Nazi party and many followed Hitler because of religious reasons.  The evidence of this can be seen on the belt buckles of Nazi soldiers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/buckle.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px;" src="http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/buckle.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;And even to the end of the war, there were those that saw Nazism consistent with Christian dogma (Richard Steigmann–Gall, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919–1945&lt;/span&gt; (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2003) p. 5).  After all, Martin Luther's tract &lt;a style="font-style: italic;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies" title="On the Jews and Their Lies"&gt;On the Jews and Their Lies&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;is antisemitic through and through.  So, any argument that Christian morality could have kept the Fuhrer in check seems to be lacking (that includes your work, Denish D'Souza).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, does evolution lead to atheism?  Probably not, at least not without another agency, since there are millions of people that are religious and accept Darwinian evolution, including the Vatican and biologists Ken Miller and Francis Collins.  Does atheist lead to Nazism (with or without eugenics)?  Apparently it could not since atheistic groups were antithetical to the Nazis.  Does Darwinism lead to Nazism?  No, since Darwin was not used by Hitler in his book, his understanding of evolution is primitive at worst, Lamarkian at best, and not educated by the work of Charles Darwin.  (The same goes for Stalin.)  Hence, the premise is completely false which Ben Stein bases his entire movie on.  It is demonstrably false and the accusation he and other creationists give could be considered libel and/or slander.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One final note: it does not matter even if Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Saddam, etc. based their thinking on Darwinian evolution.  It does nothing to demonstrate it is a false concept.  Further, the use of evolution to make moral judgments goes against what all moral theorists must grapple with: &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is-ought_problem"&gt;Hume's is-ought problem&lt;/a&gt;.  What Creationists keep doing is making the naturalistic fallacy.  So, when the entire basis for the arguments about Hitler &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;et. al&lt;/span&gt;. are based on a logical fallacy, then the historical analysis after it fails to convince no matter the case.  But by being logically fallacious and historically inept, the production of this material by Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, Ben Stein, any many others for that matter, it shows that Creationists only have propaganda, not substance, and have been nothing but deceitful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I doubt that this one blog post will convince such persons to end their use of this argument, since they depend on it for its emotional baggage, but hopefully this can make at least some people more immune to the powerfully ignorant and deceptive statements that will be in a theater near you.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-8732044553695224069?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/8732044553695224069/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=8732044553695224069' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8732044553695224069'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8732044553695224069'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/03/thrid-reich-and-holocaust-by-darwin-or.html' title='The Third Reich and the Holocaust--By Darwin or by God&apos;s Will?'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-7110385456040318192</id><published>2008-03-29T13:14:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-03-29T13:36:40.616-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intelligent Design'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nazism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PZ Myers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Expelled'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Creationism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>Expose Expelled</title><content type='html'>In my previous post I talked a linked a lot in relation to the new movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed (and how!), which has exposed itself to be propaganda run by right-wing Christian control freaks lacking morality and decency, let alone a sense of irony.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And now a site has been put up call &lt;a href="http://www.expelledexposed.com/"&gt;Expelled Exposed&lt;/a&gt;.  It was put together by the good people at NCSE, headed by Eugenie Scott.  Thus far there are links on the site which are mostly reviews of the movie.  Most are from scientists, but one is from a film critic from &lt;a href="http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_movies_blog/2008/02/is-ben-stein-th.html"&gt;Florida&lt;/a&gt; whom the Expelled people claim to have entered to see the film under false pretenses, though he was &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/business/media/10stein.html?_r=1&amp;amp;oref=slogin"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;invited&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, one of the most egregious points of the movie is the attempted connection between Darwinian evolution and the rise of Nazism and the events of the Holocaust.  Uh huh.  I think this picture sums the movie up:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/25/buckled.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px;" src="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/25/buckled.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;What we have here is the belt buckle worn my Nazi soldiers during the time of the Third Reich, which same "Gott Mit Uns", German for "God With Us".  Not that different from "In God We Trust" on American currency.  Beneath the words is the unmistakable Swastika with an eagle perched and wings spread, one of the primary symbols of the Third Reich.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a later post I will put together a number of quotes to demonstrate that the link between Darwinism, atheism, and Nazism, specifically Hitler's beliefs, are not nearly so well connected as many try to paint it.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-7110385456040318192?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/7110385456040318192/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=7110385456040318192' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/7110385456040318192'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/7110385456040318192'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/03/expose-expelled.html' title='Expose Expelled'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-163299158016598085</id><published>2008-03-22T13:20:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-12-12T19:56:56.232-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intelligent Design'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PZ Myers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Expelled'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Censorship'/><title type='text'>Censorship</title><content type='html'>This has been an interesting few days when in comes to censorship.  Some things are small, existing only in the YouTube world, and another, more recent romp has taken place on a much larger scale of interest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's start small.  Recently, on of the evangelists on YouTube, VenomFangX, was banned, most likely to do statements that could be taken as offensive to Islam (then again, what isn't when it comes to Muslim fundamentalists/extremists).  Venom is not a diplomatic person and is wonderful and misrepresentation, distortion, and plain-and-simple diarrhea of the mouth.  Many people took this temporary banning as ironic because VenomFangX is well known for censoring comments he does not like and banning certain people from his channel.  (The latter also has the irony of being counterproductive to evangelizing: if you prevent people from knowing when you are giving "sermons," how can you properly evangelize?)  So, that one religious fundamentalist who censors is censored by other religious fundamentalists, the irony is overwhelming.  And though Venom has not be respected by the atheists on YouTube, many made videos to protest his banning.  Yeah free speech defenders.  I must agree with these persons against YouTube.  Even if misinformation is what is produced, the free exchange of ideas should not be suppressed. Of course, like all extremists, Venom has not taken his lesson on censorship to heart as he still censors his comments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And when it comes to this sort of action, plenty of other YouTubers were more than willing to see the amassing of contradiction.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="355" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/UnC7Nwqw5Dg&amp;amp;hl=en"&gt;&lt;param name="wmode" value="transparent"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/UnC7Nwqw5Dg&amp;amp;hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" height="355" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="355" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Tf5YEx0d_Hk&amp;amp;hl=en"&gt;&lt;param name="wmode" value="transparent"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Tf5YEx0d_Hk&amp;amp;hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" height="355" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="355" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Fo1AQ5SQ7Hs&amp;amp;hl=en"&gt;&lt;param name="wmode" value="transparent"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Fo1AQ5SQ7Hs&amp;amp;hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" height="355" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, this pales in the face of what has happened to biologist PZ Myers, best known for his blog &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/"&gt;Pharyngula&lt;/a&gt;.  While attempting to enter a screening of the propaganda movie Expelled with his family and friends, he was singled out by the producer who ordered a police officer to leave the theater.  This is odd since Myers is in the documentary and had registered beforehand in order to see the film.  What is more odd is that even though he was forced to leave, one of his friends was not: Richard Dawkins, the modern face of Darwinism and atheism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, the real issue here is that a movie that is about the iron fist of scientists in their control of information and academia is trying to regulate who can see the movie and on what terms.  The producers have already run their spin doctors on one critic of the movie, claiming he was a "security breach."  A movie about freedom of speech and they are complaining about his trying to hear Ben Stein's blather?  Are they really about the freedom of ideas, or is it that they can only project their own delusion and hypocrisy and intolerance onto others?  And because of this, they are the laughing stock of the world.  Expelling people from the movie Expelled is just sad, especially when the person they forced away is in the film itself and is thanked in the credits!  Here is Dawkins and Myers talking on the subject:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="355" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/bffyfVadZ14&amp;amp;hl=en"&gt;&lt;param name="wmode" value="transparent"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/bffyfVadZ14&amp;amp;hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" height="355" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, lies are flying everywhere about this, so let me farm a few links on the subject to keep the record straight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelled.php"&gt;PZ1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/a_late_night_quick_one.php"&gt;PZ2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/still_straining_to_find_an_exc.php"&gt;PZ3&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/ny-times-no-adm.html"&gt;PT1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/pioneer-press-b.html"&gt;PT2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/getexpelled-rsv.html"&gt;PT3&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/expelled-gone-m.html"&gt;PT4&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/intelligent-des-47.html"&gt;PT5&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/allen-macneill-2.html"&gt;PT6&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2008/03/21/creationism-evolution-and-nazis-yes-nazis/"&gt;BA1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2008/03/20/so-two-atheists-walk-into-a-movie-theater/"&gt;BA2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://richarddawkins.net/article,2394,Lying-for-Jesus,Richard-Dawkins"&gt;RD&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As you can see by reading all these links, the story of the people of Expelled are making changes to the story, such as PZ needed a ticket, that he was trying to record the movie, that he was going to bother other people there, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And there are reports of the movie just being plain bad from an artistic and entertainment standpoint.  I had no plans in seeing the movie in the theater; if I do see it, it will be of no profit to the producers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, the censors are flying, the hypocrisy is rich, the irony is lost on the fundamentalists--I only hope that this leads to a few good laughs instead of promotion for this utter BS of a film.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Apparently, Mark Mathis admits PZ was kicked out because he didn't like him:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;You should know that I invited Michael shermer to a screening at NRB in Nashville. He came and is writing a review for scientific American. &lt;a href="http://canadiancynic.blogspot.com/2008/03/dear-denyse-seriously-what-hell-is.html"&gt;I banned pz because I want him to pay to see it.&lt;/a&gt; Nothing more.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/an_admission_from_mark_mathis.php"&gt;PZ&lt;/a&gt; has another account as well, double-confirming that Mathis was just being an ass and a liar.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, there is an interesting this Mathis said: "&lt;a href="http://insidehighered.com/news/2008/03/24/expelled"&gt;Unlike the Darwinist establishment, we expell no one.&lt;/a&gt;"  How the hell could he possibly say that with a straight face?  He kicked out someone because he doesn't like him or his views on the movie, kicked him out of a film about freedom of speech, and says he expels no one?  WTF, mate?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/R-fDh2FiSCI/AAAAAAAAACM/asa7io-1Q2E/s1600-h/414616710_l.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/R-fDh2FiSCI/AAAAAAAAACM/asa7io-1Q2E/s400/414616710_l.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5181324882534877218" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why don't fundamentalists understand irony?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-163299158016598085?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/163299158016598085/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=163299158016598085' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/163299158016598085'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/163299158016598085'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/03/censorship.html' title='Censorship'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/R-fDh2FiSCI/AAAAAAAAACM/asa7io-1Q2E/s72-c/414616710_l.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-5840642544532161594</id><published>2008-03-14T11:43:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-03-14T13:11:07.206-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='New Testament'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nazareth'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rene Salm'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='History'/><title type='text'>He shall be called a Nazarene--New Book on The Hometown of Jesus</title><content type='html'>I have heard for the last several months by one of the theologians/biblical scholars I listen to/read has mentioned a new book coming out which would analyze the evidence relating to the existence and time of existence of Nazareth, the small town in Galilee best known for being the town where Jesus came from (and perhaps born in according to modern scholarship).  That book is just about to hit the market.  &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Nazareth-Invented-Town-Jesus/dp/1578840031/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1205520446&amp;amp;sr=1-2"&gt;The Myth of Nazareth: The Invented Town of Jesus&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a href="http://www.nazarethmyth.info/"&gt;Rene Salm&lt;/a&gt; will be on shelves (or online) come Easter Sunday (I wonder why).  At this point on Amazon.com, there are two editorial reviews, one by Dr. &lt;a href="http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/"&gt;Robert M. Price&lt;/a&gt;, author of many great books, including &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Deconstructing Jesus&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Pre-Nicene New Testament&lt;/span&gt;, and much more; the other is by Frank R. Zindler, a major atheist today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was initially excited about this book since I have heard about there being a lack of literary evidence for Nazareth (zilch in Josephus, the Talmud, the Mishnah, etc.), but that there was archaeological evidence for this.  John Dominic Crossan and Jonathan L. Reed in their book &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Excavating-Jesus-Beneath-Revised-Updated/dp/0060616342/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1205520878&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Excavating Jesus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, for example, made a fair amount of mention to the evidence that told of the town being very small during the time of Jesus--in the tens of people if memory serves me right.  (See also &lt;cite class="book" style="font-style: normal;"&gt;Chad Fife Emmett (1995). &lt;i&gt;Beyond the Basilica:Christians and Muslims in Nazareth&lt;/i&gt;. University of Chicago Press, who on p. 16 says home in Nazareth are from the Roman period, about 63 BCE to 324 CE&lt;/cite&gt;)  So, Rene Salm has a lot of things to deal with.  But who is Rene Salm?  Apparently, there is nothing to suggest he is an archaeologist, or a lettered biblical scholar like Crossan.  Here is what is given about him on &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/1578840031/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;n=283155&amp;amp;s=books"&gt;Amazon.com&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;For 30 years a scholar of early Buddhism as well as Christianity, René Salm is also a published composer of classical piano music and a linguist who commands many ancient and modern languages ranging from Aramaic, Hebrew, and Pali, to German, French, and Italian. In addition, he is a mental-health professional and concert-quality pianist. Salm resides in Eugene, Oregon, without need of car or television. The Myth Of Nazareth lays the foundation for a projected sequel -- a new account of Christian origins that will investigate suppressed evidence of Gnostic, Judean, and Essene roots of Christianity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;This profile is nothing but red flags to me.  What point is there in mentioning his piano abilities or that he doesn't have a TV or car?  It is also odd that this blurb does not mention knowledge of Greek of Lain, two languages that would seem to be rather useful for researching Romanized and Hellenized Judea.  And Pali is not very useful at all, since it is a language in India, though it is at least Indo-European like Greek and Latin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This figure also has nothing published in peer-reviewed literature on the subject as far as I can tell, and others have looked as well, including Rook Hawkins and Richard Carrier, both of which are very skeptical of the New Testament and the existence of a historical Jesus.  This is an odd situation of Salm, since he claims to have been working on this subject for eight years, yet has not taken the time to get anything published in peer-reviewed journals.  Even his book is not in any sort of hard peer-review since it printed by &lt;a href="http://www.atheists.org/"&gt;American Atheist Press&lt;/a&gt; instead of a university press or even &lt;a href="http://www.prometheusbooks.com/"&gt;Prometheus&lt;/a&gt;.  This apparent avoidance of the process seems like another significant red flag.  And after listening to Salm on &lt;a href="http://www.infidelguy.com/"&gt;The Infidel Guy Show&lt;/a&gt; recently, it seems he should have since he was making claims about the archaeologists' ineptness in dating certain artifacts.  Such a charge against those in the field is something to not be taken lightly, but to avoid that position from being scrutinized by the top minds in the field gives the impression of the man yelling in the street rather than the academic trying to persuade his peers with reason and evidence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, I do not want to say that this means Salm is wrong, but in avoiding those that can better analyze his work makes me very uncomfortable about his work.  It also seems to carry the flag of mission or agenda.  For example, Zindler in his review of the book says "Christianity cannot survive unless this book can be refuted."  Such a statement seems to suggest that the book is good because it topples a major pillar of the Christian religion.  What is also glaring to me that this statement is simply wrong.  It seems that Christianity can survive just fine if the stories about Nazareth are not historical.  Firstly, fundamentalists can just deny the book as they can all of modern science that points to an ancient earth with huge-scale evolution of living creatures.  Secondly, liberal Christians can take the hit just fine.  Bishop Shelby Spong has no problem saying the virgin birth was probably not historical and John Crossan does not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus, yet both are professing Christians.  Besides, modern scholars have tried to move the major events of Jesus' life from Nazareth to other towns near-by, such as Caesarea.  Plus, archaeologists such as Aviram Oshri have argued that the Bethlehem of history is not in Judea but in Galilee near Nazareth.  So, either with or without much intellectual fortitude the non-existence of Nazareth does not kill Christianity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, one of the few things that still attaches me to the book is Dr. Price's appraisal of the book.  "   I am amazed by your work and can't wait to see the pathetic attempts to reply!" as it says on Amazon.com.  It is true that Price takes many, many radical views, including 2nd century dates for all the gospels, the inauthenticity of all the Pauline letters (a la Dutch Radicalism), and the probable non-historicity of Jesus.  However, in each of these cases he has presented powerful arguments himself or his references has arguments that are hard to ignore, at least for me.  Further, he had plenty of negative things to say about &lt;a href="http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/rev_atwill.htm"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Caesar's Messiah&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, a book claiming that the gospels are just about the Flavian emperors and was created as a Roman conspiracy, and originally about the work of Acharya S--more recently, his negative review of Acharya's book was removed and now the two are more friendly, even working together.  So, Price doesn't just shallow everything anti-Christian he finds.  Yet, Price is not an archaeologist so I don't know if he can really have as powerful as opinion as someone in the field on the subject of the physical evidence for the town of Nazareth in the early 1st century CE.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://rookthehistorian.blogspot.com/"&gt;Rook Hawkins&lt;/a&gt; has previously written on the subject and he has more depth into this than I am able or willing  to do, both &lt;a href="http://rookthehistorian.blogspot.com/2007/05/nazareth-frank-zindler-and-how-history.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://rookthehistorian.blogspot.com/2007/05/rene-salm-and-update-on-nazareth.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  He does quote so much from &lt;a href="http://richardcarrier.blogspot.com/"&gt;Richard Carrier&lt;/a&gt; it becomes a bit much for one's own person blog, but Carrier's points are solid so I can't really blame him for not rewriting Carrier's statements.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, I don't plan on buying this book until some other historians take a look at it and give me the scoop on the quality of the book.  Maybe Salm is correct, in which case it has some bearing on my own work on the Star of Bethlehem and the infancy stories of Jesus in general.  If he is right, I have to make some revisions in my own book in the works; if not, they why not is also important to me.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-5840642544532161594?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/5840642544532161594/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=5840642544532161594' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5840642544532161594'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5840642544532161594'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/03/he-shall-be-called-nazarene-new-book-on.html' title='He shall be called a Nazarene--New Book on The Hometown of Jesus'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-3283574815947226762</id><published>2008-03-10T14:22:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-12-12T19:56:56.651-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bible'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Way of the Master'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Science'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evangelism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ray Comfort'/><title type='text'>The Ignorance--It Burns!</title><content type='html'>I don't know why, but sometime I feel the need to look at the material produced by creationists and evangelicals, just to see if there are arguments worth taking a look at.  Some people are certainly smart, such as William Craig, while others are truly bottom-of-the-barrel arguers, such as those found on YouTube.  What usually makes these in the latter group so terrible to me is their complete ignorance of the topics at hand, demonstrated by false statements and little or no references to sources, and are unwilling to figure out that there is something terribly wrong in their statements.  One example must be Kent Hovind who is masterful in his abilities to misrepresent every aspect of science.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, there is some concentrated stupid that can be found via the evangelical organization Way of the Master, which has the faces of Kirk Cameron, a former child actor, and Ray Comfort, a minister from New Zealand with no formal theological training at a seminary as far as a I can find.  Obviously, neither of them are scientists and have minimal exposure to it in schooling.  Yet Ray has seen himself fit to write over fifty books and tracts, many of which touch on scientific facts and attack the extremely well-verified theory of evolution.  His general ignorance was well on display when the dynamic duo agreed to debate members of the Rational Response Squad, namely Brian Sapient and Kelly O'Connor; more correctly, Ray et. al. challenged the RRS.  The general pwnage is still talked about today.  After all, Ray also argued the banana was evidence for design in nature when most the details of the banana that make it so great for consumption are the product of artificial selection.  In other words, the banana (more correctly, the plant the banana comes from, the banana tree) is evidence for the abilities of evolution by small modifications and selection, either natural or artificial.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, why would I waste 5 more minutes on this guy?  Apparently, what he spreads is popular on the web and his blog only adds to it.  There again his general lack of knowledge about science and history can be found.  So, I think it worth while to do a proper dissection of one of his posts where he claims that (modern) &lt;a href="http://raycomfortfood.blogspot.com/2008/01/bible-earth-is-sphere-isaiah-4022.html"&gt;science proves the Bible&lt;/a&gt;.  He also states how science has changed to conform to the Bible, meaning the Bible was write all along and it can be seen to be the product of an amazingly knowledgeable mind.  He does not seem to bother with the facts that are completely contrary to a literal reading of the Bible, such as the ~6000 year old Earth, the Earth forming before the Sun, the Moon being a light source in itself, whales before land animals, etc.  And let's not forget that the Bible is full of cases of the laws of nature being broken, the miracles in the Bible innumerable.  So, just to start this post of his requires forgetting so much and can only be done by the shear will power of someone trying to evangelize instead of critically think.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And it gets all the worse as the post actually starts.  In his 12 points where sciences confirms the Bible and contradicts previously held views in science, the stupidity actually hurts.  He has a formula as such: firstly "THE BIBLE", secondly "SCIENCE NOW", finally "SCIENCE THEN".  This very setup is erroneous since such a way suggests science is simply a monolith to be read, written by the Prophets of the Laboratory.  (Hey, that sounds like a cool band name!)  What exists in science is a lot of evidence, sorted out by very able minds in an attempt to best explain the universe.  Science nor scientists claim neither absolute nor unchangeable positions; the findings of science won't change unless a significant amount of evidence points to another hypothesis that better explains the situation.  Further, what one scientists says can easily contradict another.  For example, Aristotle thought that comets were disturbances in the atmosphere, while centuries later Seneca challenged the idea since this idea did not conform well to the understandings of weather.  (If comets were in the atmosphere, why does the wind not force their tales to point in another direction, like a weather vane?)  We know better now that comets are far away, though Aristotle's position was understandable with his knowledge then.  Of course, Christian theologians were of little help in this matter; for example, Clement of Alexandria thought like Aristotle did (&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;i&gt;Protrepticus&lt;/i&gt; 10&lt;/span&gt;--hey, look at that, a reference!).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, on the the stupid:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.  According to Isaiah 40:22, the earth is a sphere, at least by Ray's reading of things.  Too bad that past Christians did not think it that way and stated the world was flat, people such as John Chrysostom (4th century CE) in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Homilies Concerning the Statutes&lt;/span&gt; 9.7-8, stating the world is flat and floats on water; Lactantius (245–325); St. Athanasius (c.293–373); Diodorus of Tarsus (d. 394); Severian, Bishop of Gabala (d. 408).  In fact, Lactantius was ridiculed by Copernicus himself in his work on the heliocentric model.  Also, in a more recent piece of scholarship, it has been argued that Augustine of Hippo himself may have been a flat-earther, and he was smart enough to tell Christians not to argue with pages about science because they know much better about these matters (Leo Ferrari, "Augustine's Cosmology".  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Augustine Studies&lt;/span&gt; 27, 2 (1996): 129-77).  So, if the meaning of this passage was for a flat earth, it was missed by these persons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact, the Gospels would suggest a flat earth as well.  In Matt 4:18 we read as follows: "Again, the devil took him [Jesus] to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor."  Because of the shape of the Earth, not counting clouds or obstacles, one can see for about 20+ miles.  On even the highest mountains it is still limited.  One certainly cannot see on the other side of the earth or even across the sea.  For Jesus to be able to see each kingdom of the world while on top of a mountain, the geometry of the Earth would need to be flat.  Rome alone is hundreds of miles away from Jerusalem and so was the capitol of the Parthian empire, let alone in China and any civilizations in the Americas.  It does not matter if Jesus has perfect eyesight since you cannot look through rocks.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, what does Isaiah 40:22 even say?  "He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth."  Okay, firstly, for the geometry fans: a circle is NOT a sphere.  The Hebrew word is chuwg  (&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span class="lexTitleHb"&gt;חוג&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;), which can mean mean circle, circuit, or compass.  If the prophet wanted to me clearer about the spherical nature of things, he could have used duwr (&lt;span class="lexTitleHb"&gt;דור&lt;/span&gt;), which can mean ball, which is used in Isaiah 22:18.  Further, the passages suggests flatness when in context.  Isaiah goes on to say in chapter 40 that God sees people on the ground "like grasshoppers."  This tells us God is a man in the sky and can look down and see all the people.  Job 22:14 confirms God to be in the sky and can be hidden by clouds.  However, for God to be "above", in the case of a sphere this is meaningless.  A person in China has the exact opposite direction of up as a person in New York City. And as for chuwg, the meaning of its circularity and not spherical nature is confirmed in Proverb 8:27: "When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth."  It is not possible to inscribe a sphere onto the surface of water (the Deep), and this laid the foundations of heaven.  From further examination of the Bible and other sources, the universe of the ancients looked something like this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/R9W3yExzkKI/AAAAAAAAABM/5aIQdd1Tfg8/s1600-h/image014.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 282px; height: 273px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/R9W3yExzkKI/AAAAAAAAABM/5aIQdd1Tfg8/s400/image014.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5176245417636237474" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Firstly, this is how the Babylonians say the universe, created mostly out of the carcass of the monster Tiamat, killed by the god Marduk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, the Hebrew version:&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/R9W5CkxzkNI/AAAAAAAAABk/Hp9YLpKELvA/s1600-h/image015.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 345px; height: 230px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/R9W5CkxzkNI/AAAAAAAAABk/Hp9YLpKELvA/s400/image015.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5176246800615706834" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You can get more details in the video produced by the Infidel Guy and Robert M. Price &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3XSpjfyFis"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  Also, see  Browning, W.R.F. &lt;i&gt;Dictionary of the Bible&lt;/i&gt;. (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1996)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So now, what about science?  Let's see: Aristotle thought the Earth was round, as did Strabo, both giving good arguments for this; Eratosthenes measured the size of the earth rather accurately in the late 2nd century BCE.  Anaximander did not believe in a flat earth, but his geometry of the planet was not correct (as a cylinder).  In fact, Strabo used Homer as evidence for the phenomena of the spherical nature of the earth (see &lt;i&gt;Odyssey&lt;/i&gt;, V: 393: "As he rose on the swell he looked eagerly ahead, and could see land quite near.")  Pliny the Elder (d. 79 CE) claimed that everyone believed the Earth to be spherical (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Natural History&lt;/span&gt; 2.64).    Ptolemy also gave reasons.  So, when the scientists were really coming into their own, they said the earth was round.  Even during the time the Gospels were being written, then, science knew better and yet Matthew gets is wrong.  And as for science today, well, everyone should know the earth to be spherical.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.  Jeremiah 33:22 says the stars are uncountable.  So, if the verse is supposed to be scientific, it is avoiding scientific terminology.  "Uncountable" could be very vague and is.  Is it just exhausting to go through all the stars and number them?  Is the number actually infinite?  In set theory, "uncountable" refers to sets of numbers that are "larger" than the set of natural numbers.  There are not that many stars in the sky.  The observable universe is finite and so are the number of stars.  And since it is unlikely Jeremiah was using advanced mathematical language, he seems to suggest that the number is very large.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Modern science points out that there are many, many stars.  Our galaxy alone has on the order of 400 billion stars (4*10^10).  There are billions of galaxies.  It is estimated that the number of stars in the observable universe is on par with the number of grains of sand on the surface of the earth.  So, in effect, the number has been counted.  One could say that modern science has contradicted Jeremiah, but that would take the meaning of the passage much more literally than it should be.  But, since that is what Ray does, taking things literally when it is obviously not, the charge can apply to him.  As for the statement about science saying the number of stars is only 1100, this number at least comes from somewhere if you look.  Ptolemy cataloged about this many stars in his Almagest.  That is a lot of stars and I would call that "uncountable" since I lack the will power to count them all.  But, to say that science said there were &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;only&lt;/span&gt; 1100 stars is without evidence, especially if it comes from the statement of only one person, espeically when philosophers argued in the past.  Anaxagoras (5th century BCE) argued for an infinite universe with an infinite number of atoms.  Such a belief makes is easy to accept there to be more stars than those visible.  The proof that there are not an infinite number of stars in an infinitely old universe with a constant density was demonstrated in the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox"&gt;Olber paradox&lt;/a&gt;.  So, Ray is simply wrong in his statements about the state of science in the past and his literal reading of a statement that cannot be literal only shows his agenda.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3.  According to Job 26:7, the Earth free floats in space.  More correctly, the passage says that the Earth is hung from nothing.  Well sure.  After all, the Earth pushed up by pillars, not hung from above (Job 9:6, 26:11, Psalm 75:3).  So, how can we understand Job 26:7 will the 11th verse tells us the Heavens are held up by pillars and the Earth earlier in Job?  Well, the Hebrew word 'erets (&lt;span class="lexTitleHb"&gt;ארץ&lt;/span&gt;) can refer to the underworld, also known as Sheol, which was mentioned in the previous verse (Sheol is naked before God, and Abaddon has no covering (RSV)).  And as pointed out in the pictures above, Sheol is in the region below the Earth with its inhabitants.  So, this 'erets could mean that the Earth is above the nothingness that is Sheol.  It is hard to properly gauge the meaning of the word "nothingness" in the Hebrew since it used only here in the entire Old Testament.  However, since poetry seems to be in use here it is not difficult to believe that Job is referring to Sheol, the subterranean place of darkness, as "nothingness".  And the progression of Job 26 becomes sensible, since we have a sort of bottom-up on the Creation: Sheol, Earth, The Sky with clouds, the highest reaches heaven where the Moon is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, does the Earth actually free-float in space?  This is certainly a very improper way to refer to the nature of things.  After all, the Earth is not "free" since it is gravitationally bounded by the Sun.  Also, floating gives the impression of the Earth being in water while space is rather empty.  (As an aside, if you had a large enough bathtub and a gravitational force under it, Saturn would float in it since its density is &lt;a href="http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/saturnfact.html"&gt;less then that of water&lt;/a&gt;.  Cool!)  Also, the text in Job says the Earth is "over nothing."  Over implies a downward direction, but this makes no sense with a spherical earth as the frame of reference cannot be made universal over the earth's surface; not everyone can point with the same vector and call it "down".  So, more evidence of a flat earth in the Bible and not well connected to the findings of science.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the last part of this, that science said the Earth sat on a large animal, this is completely false.  This idea is from &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Hindu&lt;/span&gt; cosmology where the earth sits on elephants on turtles, etc.  Hinduism is not science.  I am not even aware of the term "Hindu Science", unlike "Christian Science", to exist.  To say that the notion of the earth on elephants was ever considered science is simply an outright lie.  It is not simple intellectual dishonesty--it is shear dishonest.  (Okay, perhaps Ray is confused about what &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;people&lt;/span&gt; said and what &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;science&lt;/span&gt; has said, but that just shows his unwillingness to differentiate in order to try to sell Christianity and is still dishonest and projects his inability to understand what science actually is.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4.  Entering the New Testament, Ray says Hebrews 11:3 tells us the world is made of invisible elements.  Okay, the Greek word used here is phainō (&lt;span class="lexTitleGk"&gt;φαίνω&lt;/span&gt;), which means to be evident, to be seen, to meet the eye, shine.  In context, the verse tells us that the world was created by the Word of God and a word is not visible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Going into science, he claims that the world is made of invisible things, atoms.  Well, I can see atoms.  Otherwise, I would not be able to see my computer which is composed of atoms.  And if you want, you can see atoms individually.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/vintage/vintage_4506VV1003.html"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px;" src="http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/vintage/images/4506VV1003.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Atoms are not invisible; they are just very, very small.  But they give off light, which is how we can see anything.  If atoms were in fact invisible, I could look through any object.  However, many things are opaque, including my computer's keyboard.  Further, the text of Hebrews does not say the world is composed of invisible things but that the creation came about by the agency of invisible things.  The Greek word used here is ginomai (&lt;span class="lexTitleGk"&gt;γίνομαι&lt;/span&gt;), a deponent verb meaning to come into existence.  It can also mean to happen.  Now, the verse is talking about God's creation of the universe, so the context makes clear that the universe came into being via powers invisible.  The universe did not come about because of atoms.  In fact, in the earliest moments of the universe there were no atoms, but instead a "quark soup".  Further, no one could extrapolate from the Bible that the universe is composed of atoms, and even if one did no details about atoms could be given.  You can't extrapolate Plank's constant, for example, or the Heisenberg uncertainty principle out of Genesis or Hebrews.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the last part is again the worst.  Originally, it said this "SCIENCE THEN: Science waw ignorant on the subject."  Now, this completely ignores Democritus, an pre-Socratic philosopher that argued for the existence of extremely small atoms composing everything in the universe.  He believed in atoms and void between atoms; otherwise, if you cut something and there is something in the way, how is it possible?  It seems a void is required to be moved through.  This was one of his arguments.  Against, it doesn't get us to quantum mechanics, but it is very good.  Also, Democritus was centuries before the epistle to the Hebrews was ever composed.  So, even if the author of Hebrews (no one knows who since no name is on it, though tradition says Paul of Tarsus) did mean to speak of atoms, that was something already thought about.  It doesn't demonstrate any divine knowledge at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And someone in the comments pointed that out to Mr. Comfort, a person with the handle Rando.  First, Ray is smug about the whole thing:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Democritus was born in 460 BC. How did he see atoms so long before Galileo developed the first reliable microscope in 1609 (2,000 years later), and before the advent of the electron microscope in the 1930's? Also, why to you believe everything you read in history books, and doubt anything written in the Bible? I look forward to your reply.&lt;/blockquote&gt;So, he first avoids the problem.  There was nothing about seeing them.  Also, this is not faith in history books.  Just read Aristotle, Diogenes Laërtius, Cicero, Seneca, etc., who talked about Democritus' theories at length and you know that the idea was ancient.  Besides, if you could see atoms in the time of Democritus that would &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;disprove&lt;/span&gt; Hebrews 11:3, not confirm it.  Later, Ray says he now sees the error and makes a fix: "SCIENCE THEN: Science was &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;mostly&lt;/span&gt; ignorant on the subject" (emphasis added).  This is not the problem actually.  It matters not if knowledge of atoms was in its infancy or advanced; the idea of atoms was the key thing.  After all, the author of Hebrews gives no details about atoms at all beyond existence (if he was even talking about such things), and there is no contradiction between a lack of exact knowledge and an intricate modern theory of atoms, just progression.  If Ray wanted to fix the problem he would have completely deleted this part of the post since it does not support his case at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Once again we have an example of a lack of coherent thought and scientific and historic ignorance written up in order to evangelize rather than get the truth out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5.  According to Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:41, each star is different from another.  Modern science says the same, that two stars are not identical.  No problem.  But where in the world did Ray get the idea that ancient astronomers thought all stars were the same?  This is without any backing in reality.  Heck, a caveman can see that not all stars are the same by simply noticing some stars are brighter than others and some have different colors.  Some "stars" even move (the word planet from its Greek roots means "wanderer" or "wandering star").  The observing ability to notice this is bare-minimal--you just need eyes.  This is simply a false statement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6.  Job 38:19-20 is somehow supposed to say that light moves.  I guess if light can "dwell" someplace it must have the ability to move there.  Let's take that as it is, though it is certainly not what a first reading of the text would uncover.  And of course, we know today that light moves, extremely fast though (299,792,458 meters/second exactly).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But once again, Ray asserts about ancient science without any history to back him.  He says that the ancients believed light did not move.  Huh  The closest I can find here is from Aristotle's &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Sense and Sensibility&lt;/span&gt;.  He stated "That without light vision is impossible has been stated elsewhere;  &lt;a name="180"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;but, whether the medium between the eye and its objects is air or light,  &lt;a name="181"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;vision is caused by a process through this medium."  Also, "light is due to the presence of something, but it is not a movement."  So, one person in antiquity said that light was some sort of stationary substance.  Most others thought otherwise.  For example, Euclid had his own work on light and proposed it &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;traveled&lt;/span&gt; in straight lines.  Euclid also argued about previous theories of how eyes see; his arguments were based on the finite &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;speed of light&lt;/span&gt;.  (See Euclid's &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Optica&lt;/span&gt;, one of his few works that have survived to the present day.)  Before Euclid, Empedocles proposed that the eyes had fire in them and so projected light onto an object which then returned to the eye to be seen.  Again, light is said to travel.  Some proposed the speed of light to be infinite.  Heron of Alexander had done that (1st century CE).  Today, we know better.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, the say-so of one person is not the end-all in science.  Further, the ideas of the movement of light in Empedocles are contemporary with the dating of the Book of Job, the 6th to 5th century BCE (see Bergant, Dianne "The Wisdom Books", &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Catholic Study Bible&lt;/span&gt;, Oxford University Press).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;7.  Job 28:25 is now claimed to say that air has weight.  Sorry, but no.  The NIV translators understood that what is being talked about is the force of winds.  Ray's understanding of the text is forced, not natural.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Does air have weight?  Well, it has mass.  It has pressure.  However, weight is not a very proper way to talk about air.  Firstly, without a gravitational field it is without weight.  Here on earth air seems to be without weight since we are immersed in it.  But, air does have weight here on earth, for that is how we feel its pressure.  But who in the past said air was without weight?  I can find no evidence of this, and Ray is not forthcoming with his source.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;8.  Looking next at Ecclesiastes 1:6, wind is said to blow in cyclones.  I think to make better sense of this, it is more accurate to say that Ecclesiastes 1:6 says that there are wind currents that makes turns along the way.  Well, there certainly are.  Did the ancients say otherwise?  I have found nothing to support that.  It sounds made-up to me.  Ray needs to give some sources around here.  Also, wind can blow straight or near-straight.  This happens all the time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;9.  Leviticus 17:11 says that the life of any creature is in its blood (NIV).  Well, if you bleed an animal of its blood then it will likely die.  However, not all creatures have blood.  For example, flat worms do not have blood, nor do they need it.  So, the statement that any creature has blood is a false one.  Also, blood is not the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;source&lt;/span&gt; of life, as Ray states.  Again, plants and primitive animals show that to be the case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But then Ray gets into blood letting.  This is obsolete because it doesn't work and is usually harmful.  The idea was that when you are sick you have too many "humors" in the blood and they must be released.  Well, usually you are sick because there is too much of something bad in there, so the idea is not that far-fetched.  Now, does the idea of blood-letting contradict the notion that higher animals, such as humans, need blood to survive?  Of course not.  Otherwise, the doctors of old would simply have taken out all the blood and not thought about it a second time.  They prescribed a certain amount of blood to be taken out, leaving some (most, hopefully) for the patient needed it.  (&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_letting#In_the_ancient_world"&gt;Also note that the Talmud gave instructions on when blood-letting should be practiced; Christian writers did the same&lt;/a&gt;.  See "Bloodletting in Talmudic Times" by Fred Rosner, Bull. N.Y. Acad. Med. 1986&lt;span class="citation-publication-date"&gt; November; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="citation-volume"&gt;62&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="citation-issue"&gt;(9)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="citation-flpages"&gt;: 935–946&lt;/span&gt;.  A quote: "I, blood, am the cause of all illness" (BT Baba Batra 58b) and "much blood produces much leprosy" (Bechorot 44b).)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;10.  Next we move into the sea with 2 Samuel 22:16 and Jonah 2:6 which say that there were deep mountains and trenches in the oceans.  This is a fact today.  Did the ancients say otherwise?  I have found nothing to make that seem to be the case.  (Seeing a trend here?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;11.  Job 38:16 speaks of springs in the oceans.  They do exist. . . sort of.  There are hot vents under water, but they are not springs in the proper sense of the word.  Springs form because of melted ice water on land.  Volcanic vents do not produce water. Did the ancients ever say theyse vents didn't exist?  Not anywhere I can find.  It gets pretty ridiculous when Ray can spew this stuff without thinking that something like this does not require the least bit of evidence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;12.  Leviticus 15:13 says to wash hands in running water.  Not a bad idea.  Did ancient scientists say to wash in still water?  I can only find evidence to the contrary.  "&lt;a href="http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article3498349.ece?OTC-HPtoppuff&amp;amp;ATTR=ind25"&gt;The ancient Egyptians thought that sitting a dusty body in still water, as the Greeks did, was a foul idea.&lt;/a&gt;"  I won't say I have any great authority here, but it is more than Ray's assertions.  Also, Muslim practice of Ablution requires moving water.  And it seems obvious.  If you have a bucket of water and you are dirty then that dirt goes into the water and the next person that uses the water has dirt already in it.  Also, Lev 15 here is talking about semen discharges.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, there is one great load of poor scholarship being passed off in an attempt to try and convince people a iron-age book is in fact a modern science book, though a literal reading of many passages are simply false compared to modern science.  Heck, the Bible will even contradict ancient knowledge.  For example, Leviticus 11:20-3 says that winged insects have four legs; insects are defined as having six legs.  How did this one get passed the editors?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, another person in the comments went through a similar analysis, named &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/05850837083033234484"&gt;David W. Irish&lt;/a&gt;.  So, at least I am not the only person crazy enough to do this, though I think I have more references and pictures and details.  But here is the question: will Ray and his ministries retract their work because of these overarching failures?  I think we all know better.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-3283574815947226762?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/3283574815947226762/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=3283574815947226762' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/3283574815947226762'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/3283574815947226762'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/03/ignorance-it-burns.html' title='The Ignorance--It Burns!'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_k33iIzYQC98/R9W3yExzkKI/AAAAAAAAABM/5aIQdd1Tfg8/s72-c/image014.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-7266952031764300785</id><published>2008-02-28T12:06:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-02-28T12:18:31.912-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='School'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Weather'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Spring Break'/><title type='text'>Fun Times For Me</title><content type='html'>I haven't written too much personal stuff, so why not start now?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Over the last few weeks, I have been receiving letters of acceptance (or rejection) from universities across the country for graduate school.  Unfortunately, the vast majority have been negative.  However, I only needed one positive response, and I have that--thank you Ohio State.  There are still a few other universities I am waiting on, but I am suspecting that the turnout will not be the best, so my sites are looking towards Columbus right now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other news, the weather has been a bit crazy here in Michigan.  The other day a large snowfall hit East Lansing, and the word on the street is that the county has used up almost all the salt because of the large levels of snowfall and icy conditions during this winter.  So the roads were really bad when I was picking up my girlfriend.  Actually, it caused by first collision with another car!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was an unusual experience when I was coming to a red light, one care already stopped there about 20 feet ahead of me and my brakes fail to slow me down in time--anti-lock brakes are great, but you just can't beat ice's low coefficient of friction.  So, I hit the guy in front of me . . . with less that bumper car momentum.  Whew.  No damage was done; in fact, the guy in front that I bumped never even looked back.  Things would have been a lot worse if he hit me from the back since I have a trailer hitch that would screw up his bumper so bad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Otherwise, things are good.  Spring Break starts Friday (and ends next Friday because I have to work at the planetarium), classes are going well, and I'm havin' the time of my life with by feminine acquaintance.  And in case she is reading: Ich liebe Dich, mein Schatz!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-7266952031764300785?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/7266952031764300785/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=7266952031764300785' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/7266952031764300785'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/7266952031764300785'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/02/fun-times-for-me.html' title='Fun Times For Me'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-8036344307704619459</id><published>2008-02-12T14:48:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2008-02-12T14:59:11.037-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='MySpace'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Atheism'/><title type='text'>That Was Fast</title><content type='html'>Last time I blogged, the Atheist and Agnostic Group on MySpace had been deactivated, apparently by methods that seemed foul.  Apparently, just two days after the story hit the press (and I talked about it) the group is back up, though not at 100% since some people are still blocked and MySpace is unable to unblock for some reason.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't know if this is because of the media coverage, but since the group went down on January 1st, after being harassed for a month before, and the group came back just a couple of days after the reports went public, it sure is hard to not make such an inference.  Further, MySpace has, as of yet, given no reason for the shutdown and return of the group.  It sounds like a bunch of people that were not doing their jobs properly and are now trying to rectify those issues without doing too much damage to the ego, let alone appear to be intolerant to certain groups.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, perhaps the groups canceling was not motivated by such things and it is inappropriate to jump to the conclusion of someone taking their prejudices out on atheist, as I may have in my last post, to which I should say it seems now to have been a bit over the top on my part.  However, there are many unanswered questions: why was the group shut down, why was a petition with 500+ signatures to get the group back ignored, why did the group only return after press coverage, and why was the return of the group not explained as well?  Add all of that to the fact that the group was attacked and hacked as well as its moderator and the reaction at MySpace was to kill the group off.  It just does not bode well for the people managing the place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Until some sort of explanation can come to light on the part of the administrators of MySpace, it seems that someone was playing hard and fast with a group that had a contrary philosophy to the person that decided what the fate of the group should be.  Note, however, that I do not mean to say there is a conspiracy at that place, as it seems to be implied in my previous post.  More likely it was one or two people who got in trouble only when their bosses got word of this when it became big in the media.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-8036344307704619459?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/8036344307704619459/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=8036344307704619459' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8036344307704619459'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/8036344307704619459'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/02/that-was-fast.html' title='That Was Fast'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-1069187925805208644</id><published>2008-01-31T17:39:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-01-31T18:29:32.999-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='MySpace'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fox News'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='News Corp'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rupert Murdock'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Atheism'/><title type='text'>A Day That Will Live In Infamy</title><content type='html'>I would imagine that most people that frequent the blogosphere are very aware of the Internet networking site &lt;a href="http://www.myspace.com"&gt;MySpace&lt;/a&gt;.  You should also be aware of the fact that in 2005, MySpace was purchased by the conglomeration run by Rupert Murdock (owner of News Corporation), best known for being the owner of Fox News (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Faux&lt;/span&gt; News or Fox &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Noise&lt;/span&gt; amongst liberals).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are reading this then, you need to be aware of the former MySpace group: Atheist and Agnostic Group.  Why is this of interest?  It was the largest network/collection/community of nonbelievers &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;in the world&lt;/span&gt;!  At its peak, the A and A group had over 35,000 members and was one of the largest groups in the category of religion and belief on MySpace and also quite large overall.  Perhaps you have noticed that I kept using the past tense when talking about this group.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This in because, on the first of January, 2008, the group was shut down by MySpace.  I know this because of other blogs, but also because I was a member of that group.  I had been inactive for some time, and perhaps that helped this happen to some degree.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I knew the people in the group well, those that were active participants.  In fact, in April 2007, a number of us met in Boston for the annual humanist convention at Harvard University.  So, I personally came to know the moderator of the Atheist and Agnostic Group, a Mr. Bryan  J. Pesta, Ph.D. in cognitive science.  A great guy who went by the nickname of Fearless Group Leader (FGL), but also having the screen name of "An Inordinate Fondness of Beetles."    I hope you get the joke.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is less funny is that the group had been shut down before, before I had joined the group in late 2005.  Fortunately, FGL personally knew the creator of MySpace, Tom, who returned the group to its former state and promised to keep it alive.  That was before the sale of MySpace to News Corp.  In November 2007, the group was again shut down, came back to life, and was again (and perhaps permanently) on January 1, 2008, five minutes after notifying FGL of the decision to close the group.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will now let Bryan say the rest, as he has posted on his MySpace profile page.  I do this in case the page is also lost in the near future by other groups.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="text"&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; Update: 1/30/08, 10:00 p.m. EST.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks sincerely to all who sent emails or forwarded the press release (real big thanks to the Secular Student Alliance and the Humanist Chaplain from Harvard). Myspace hasn't yet responded, and our group is still deleted.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Short FAQ based on some of the emails I got:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Q1) How do you know the group was deleted for religious reasons?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A1)I have no smoking gun. I cannot produce any internal Myspace memo saying "crush the heathens". &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, I assert that our group's history up to its recent deletion (1/1/8) establishes a prima facie case that we were deleted for religious reasons:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note first that I ran the group for almost 3 years, and was very careful to not violate any TOS.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We were deleted two years ago due to complaints from a group called the "Christian Crusaders." They would search Myspace for profiles they found offensive, and then mass complain to customer service.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Their strategy was to send so many emails to customer service that someone, somewhere at Myspace would delete the profile or group.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It worked. They were able to get us deleted for a few weeks til myspace restored us (pre-news corp; Tom Anderson, himself posted to our group offering to protect us). The "Christian Crusaders" also got many other groups and profiles deleted, including a large pro abortion group.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Three months ago, my account was hacked. The hacker took control of the group and renamed it "Jesus is love".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It took almost a month of constant emailing to Myspace just to get them to restore the group. I lost my profile (3000 friends; dozens of blogs), and the hacker banned many regular users.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Banning on a Myspace group is oddly permanent / can't be undone. So, I sent more requests asking Myspace to un-ban my regulars.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I got an email back-- finally; after about 3 weeks of requests for help-- saying "thank you for the information. We have scheduled the group for deletion."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Literally 5 minutes later, the group was deleted. I think it's ironic that Myspace's response to my persistent and sincere request for help was to delete the group!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope that puts our deletion in context. Add to that, the biggest xtian group here was deleted not too long ago (post news corp) and Myspace Tom personally restored it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do I think Myspace is an evil atheist hating conspiracy-- no. Do I think an agent of Myspace deleted my group because it was an atheist group. Yes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I realize this is circumstantial evidence; but I think the case outlined above is strong enough to warrant my conclusion, and I am waiting to see if Myspace replies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Q2) You realize that Myspace is privately owned; you have no right to free speech there; they can delete content at will?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A2) I do; but I think Myspace deleting atheist groups is equivalent to a restaurant refusing to serve minorities. Myspace provides a free service, yet it benefits tremendously ($$$) only because users provide content. As a for-profit, I suspect Myspace has some duty of equal protection to all members of protected classes. If Myspace deleted the largest African American group here, no one would tolerate that. Why should we tolerate it for any minority group?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I’m not trying to be dramatic. My experience is nothing like the typical civil rights violation, but I believe it is nonetheless a violation. I’m not sure where the line is drawn between trivial violations and ones-worth-fighting for. I personally think this one’s worth fighting for.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I feel our group had value; we helped give a misunderstood (and often despised) minority a sense of community. The fact that 35,000 people took the proactive step of joining the group (even if most never posted) suggests that it had value. The emails I got today from regulars and strangers suggests that it had value.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally, the three years I invested in maintaining the group (and the blogs on my deleted profile) had value to me. So, I think trying to get the group back is a rational investment of my time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Further, I’m not asking for a march on the capital. I just want our group back.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; ***&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  Press release!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;January 21, 2008&lt;br /&gt;For Release: Immediately Upon Receipt&lt;br /&gt;Contact: Bryan J. Pesta, Ph.D.,&lt;br /&gt;216-687-4749 b.pesta@csuohio.edu&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Myspace Deletes Largest Atheist Group in the World.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cleveland, OH.— Social networking cite, Myspace.com, panders to religious intolerants by deleting atheist users, groups and content.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Early this month, Myspace again deleted the “Atheist and Agnostic Group (35,000 members). This deletion, due largely to complaints from people who find atheism offensive, marks the second time Myspace has cancelled the group since November 2007.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What’s unique in this case is that the Atheist and Agnostic Group was the largest collection of organized atheists in the world. The group had its own Wikipedia entry, and in April won the Excellence in Humanist Communication Award (2007) from the Humanist Chaplaincy at Harvard University and The Secular Student Alliance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Myspace refuses to undelete the group, although it never violated any terms of service,” said Bryan Pesta, Ph.D., the group’s moderator. “When the largest Christian group was hacked, Myspace’s Founder, Tom Anderson, personally restored the group, and promised to protect it from future deletions.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“It is an outrage if Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation and the world’s largest social networking site tolerate discrimination against atheists and agnostics-- and if this situation goes unresolved I’ll have little choice but to believe they do,” said Greg Epstein, Humanist Chaplain of Harvard University. News Corporation, Murdoch’s global media corporation which also includes Fox News, purchased MySpace in 2005.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“My personal profile was deleted as well, and despite weeks of emails to customer service, plus a petition signed by 500 group members, Myspace won’t budge. I think these actions send a clear message to the 30 million godless people in America (and to businesses whose money was spent displaying ads on our group) that we are not welcome on Myspace,” said Pesta.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For a Wikipedia article on the now defunct atheist and agnostic group, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist_and_Agnostic_Group.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For links to Pesta’s defunct group and profile, visit http://www.myspace.com/aiffb.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;### &lt;br /&gt;              &lt;br /&gt;Needs restoring:  Old profile: id=1120061  Old Group: id=100002606&lt;br /&gt;(&lt;a href="http://www.myspace.com/aiffb"&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are some further links:&lt;a href="http://www.secularstudents.org/node/1933"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.secularstudents.org/node/1933&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist_and_Agnostic_Group"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist_and_Agnostic_Group&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.thenewhumanism.org/?page_id=13"&gt;http://www.thenewhumanism.org/?page_id=13&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer/stories/index.ssf?/base/living-0/1201772086310820.xml&amp;amp;coll=2"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer/stories/index.ssf?/base/living-0/1201772086310820.xml&amp;amp;coll=2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/01/should_i_go_or_should_i_stay.php"&gt;http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/01/should_i_go_or_should_i_stay.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is also interesting to note that the Wikipedia page on the group was edited by a person named GravityExNihilo, who was a member of the group, and not an atheist if that was still the case in December 2007, first wrote about the attacks in December of 2007.  Further edits have taken place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This whole thing burns me.  It was a great group, discussing rather low topics (the Boos Thread was particularly long) to rather intellectual discussions (such as the differences between potential and actual infinities and how they may pertain to a deity when applying Russell's Paradox from set theory).  The people I met were wonderful in person, and even though many others were not the most amiable in the forums, where still genuinely good people.  And now they are being discriminated against.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to avoid slippery slope arguments, but if News Corp/MySpace can feel justified in shutting down this group, what other places are atheists not going to be allowed to traverse on the Internet in large numbers?  We have all already seen how other groups have tried to use legal muscle to try and silence non-theistic and rational voices, such as with Creation Science Evangelism and the Disco Institute I mentioned previously.  Obvously YouTube is also willing to let such materials be taken down.  This with the growing efforts to force Intelligent Design into public schools, the Institute for Creation Research trying to get a legitimate degree program in Texas, and not to mention candidates having to pass &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ipso facto&lt;/span&gt; religious tests for office and even promoting changing the Constitution in order to have it conform to Biblical beliefs (thank you Mike Huckabee); all this is becoming rather frightening.  I don't worry for my personal safety, but such a reduction in the ability to freely express oneself and to inquire freely is not something that should be tolerated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Will the group be restored?  It may take a lot of prodding.  A letter with 500 signatures apparently did nothing to make the operators of MySpace think twice about the decision.  It seems obvious to me that it was not an unbiased decision and likely a religiously motivated one.  After all, the people of Fox News are conservative in most every sense of the word, including in Christian values/beliefs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Should it not be seen as odd what is happening here in another sense.  According to the Book of Acts, the Disciples were given the gift of tongues, able to speak any language.  Apparently, this was a misreporting on the author's part--the gift was not tongues but the ability to stop the tongues of others.  When it comes to spreading dogma, this is just as effective and desired.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope anyone that reads this makes some noise.  Write letters to MySpace; make blog posts; produce YouTube videos, tell a friend.  Just get the word out.  Also, protesting in keeping youself away from News Corp products may also be a good idea.  I think deleting MySpace pages is a good idea, as well as not watching Fox News (suck it Billo!).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At least I feel safe enough on blogger.com.  It is under Google, and they have a simple slogan: Don't be evil.  Hopefully, that policy is not based on rules of Leviticus (see &lt;a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/dt/13.html"&gt;Deuteronomy 13&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-1069187925805208644?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/1069187925805208644/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=1069187925805208644' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/1069187925805208644'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/1069187925805208644'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/01/day-that-will-live-in-infamy.html' title='A Day That Will Live In Infamy'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-5666408711973167162</id><published>2008-01-27T23:08:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-01-27T23:43:04.114-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intelligent Design'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Copyright'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evolution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hovind'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Discovery Institute'/><title type='text'>Why isn't Disco Dead? (not the dance)</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;A while ago, an organization known as Creation Science Evangelism, founded by the convicted and dishonest (intellectually and not-so-intellectually) Kent Hovind, now apparently run by his son, attempted to have certain videos taken down from YouTube which were critical of the Hovind materials on the web, especially when some of the videos produced by Hovind were included in the YouTube videos.  Legally, it was perfectly okay to use CSE material on multiple accounts: the use was for education and not for profit; the material was (on purpose, mind you) NOT copyrighted.  So, when CSE tried to take down these videos (some even not using Hovind's lecture videos), there was a big backlash on the web; hopefully some sort of legal action will keep CSE out of the hair of the Internet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, apparently, the almighty Discovery Institute (called the Disco Institute for short) has tried to do much the same thing.  One of my favorite video subscriptions is to &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/ExtantDodo"&gt;Extant Dodo&lt;/a&gt;.  They had done a critique of the video version of Jonathan Wells' book &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Icons of Evolution&lt;/span&gt;; like all their videos, it was very well done, educational, and what I love the most--references.  Imagine that, showing your sources in order to make a convincing scholarly case.  Well, the Disco people apparently don't like this sort of thing, so they told YouTube to take it down because of copyright infringement.  Unlike the CSE case, I am pretty sure their material is copyrighted (though I dare not call it "intellectual property").  However, since Extant Dodo used the material for educational purposes, critical response, and satire as they have done with particularly poor claims on the part of creationists (&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t"&gt;Thunderf00t&lt;/a&gt; does this even more so and very well), such things allow its use on the Internet by the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use"&gt;Fair Use&lt;/a&gt; policy of US copyright law.  Without the ability to use videos for satire or parody, The Daily Show and the Scary Movie movies could not exist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, one would think that the Disco Institute, with all of their lawyers and assets, would be aware of this.  Hence, this is obviously a deliberate attempt to silence dissent, even if it requires going to court.  Of course Disco will have more money than some PhD candidate that makes YouTube videos, so the move is obviously strategic, not based on proper legal precedent, let alone free inquiry or basic human honor and decency.  Of course, that is what the Disco people do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Honestly though, I have to think: what if this goes to trial in the case court room as the Dover case and under Judge Jones III, which the Disco people have demonized and ridiculed as an activist judge (though he followed Supreme Court precedent on creationism in science and the proper application of the Lemon test) and failed to understand the material (isn't that the fault of Behe and ID witnesses to not be able to give a case that makes logical sense and so they blame the student for "not getting it"?)?  I can imagine things would get very interesting.  But that is only a dream and would require a lot of circumstances to happen that are probably unlikely, especially since Jones would likely be asked to recuse himself because of his previous work with the Disco people indirectly.  Oh well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For more info on this situation, see Thunderf00t's &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13mBPRDNUY0"&gt;video&lt;/a&gt; on the matter which prompted me to write this at 2 in the morning.  Obviously I need to learn how to use a bed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And how about an ironic quote from John West of the Disco Institute about Judge Jone's decision:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The Dover decision is an attempt by an activist federal judge to stop the spread of a scientific idea and even to prevent criticism of Darwinian evolution through government-imposed censorship rather than open debate, and it won't work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2005/12/dover_intelligent_design_decis.html"&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;So, I guess it is okay to shut down open debate when the criticism comes back your way?  Perhaps then Ken Miller should also be able to get rid of VenomfangX's videos and Kent Hovind's utter garbage?  Oh wait, what is that I hear: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;special treatment&lt;/span&gt; you say?  Sorry, but like Harry Truman said, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."  At this point, the Disco Institute has been no were near the biological kitchen, especially apparent in &lt;a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/01/erv-a-day-in-th.html"&gt;Behe's newest book&lt;/a&gt;, so perhaps I should remind them that Disco is dead, in dance and especially in science, and it isn't coming back (in the latter, it just didn't exist).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-5666408711973167162?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/5666408711973167162/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=5666408711973167162' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5666408711973167162'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/5666408711973167162'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/01/why-isnt-disco-dead-not-dance.html' title='Why isn&apos;t Disco Dead? (not the dance)'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-609904095065588671</id><published>2008-01-05T11:36:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-01-05T12:00:56.217-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Star of Bethlehem'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wikipedia'/><title type='text'>I have hit the big time!</title><content type='html'>I don't know what it takes to be considered "big" on the Internet especially without displaying actions of extreme stupidity, such as those of certain celebrities, but I think I can say that there is one way of doing it in an academic way.  Recently, yours truly has been interviewed for a few newspapers, especially for one in &lt;a href="http://ydr.inyork.com/ydr/religion/ci_7649784"&gt;Pennsylvania&lt;/a&gt;, in the same county that the Dover trial took place, as well as in &lt;a href="http://www.mlive.com/news/bctimes/index.ssf?/base/news-10/1198253713115390.xml&amp;amp;coll=4"&gt;my homeland.&lt;/a&gt;  (Note: I don't think the York county link works anymore so you may need to do some work to get to the article.)  A few bloggers and amateur astronomy sites make mention to me, as well as a &lt;a href="http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week1116/feature.html"&gt;PBS website&lt;/a&gt; (on the side).  But my big break must be this: I have been referenced on &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_Bethlehem#_note-4"&gt;Wikipedia!&lt;/a&gt;  It is a very short mention and puts me in company with a few other scholars mentioned in the same foot note, but why should I complain?  Do note that I did not write myself in, so someone has taken me seriously.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another person that I have been communicating with is a Dr. Michael Covington at the University of Georgia.  I came across &lt;a href="http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/michael/blog/0712/"&gt;his blog&lt;/a&gt; and have had a short amount of back and forth about the issue.  Hopefully it will be productive since this person seems to know Greek and Hebrew (and more C.S. Lewis than I think is worth while).  This already then is more of a plus in credentials than another professor I have been talking with, Dr. Michael Molnar, formerly of Rutgers and author of his own book (1999) and articles on the subject.  At this point, there has been a lull in the amount of back and forth between us, but that is probably because Dr. Molnar is enjoying his vacation, as everyone should be this time of year, but it seems that there is a significant amount of friction between the two of us, especially in that he feels I have misrepresented his work.  Of course I disagree, but that is why I want to keep the conversation going, especially if he writes more articles or has more TV/radio interviews, as he has recently for FOX News.  (I wonder why FOX didn't get in contact with me?  Could it be that I did not line up with what conservative audiences would want to hear?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps more attention will come my way if and when I publish an entire book on the subject.  (The "if" factor is the condition that a publisher would take the time to print such a work.)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-609904095065588671?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/609904095065588671/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=609904095065588671' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/609904095065588671'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/609904095065588671'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2008/01/i-have-hit-big-time.html' title='I have hit the big time!'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-4014433229849358401</id><published>2007-12-08T22:56:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-12-08T23:35:02.074-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Islam'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Muslim'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Islamophobia'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Ali'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Justice'/><title type='text'>Moderate Muslims</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/opinion/07ali.html?_r=2&amp;amp;oref=slogin&amp;amp;oref=slogin"&gt;Ayaan Hirsi Ali&lt;/a&gt;, the former Dutch parliament member and Muslim apostate, has written an amazing op-ed for the New York Times the other day.  This woman, &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QncCUxM4L-Y"&gt;who at one time condemned to death Salman Rushdie&lt;/a&gt;, who left the Islamic faith on her own will, seems to make the excellent and knock-down point about the nature of the Islamic religion and justice system.  The question that I beg to have answered: Where are the moderate Muslims that do not agree with the fanatics and fundamentalists?  When some Christian fundamentalist, such as Jerry Falwell, makes insane statements many moderate or liberal Christians are more than willing to distance themselves from such people and even demand apologies.  A majority of Christians are not in favor of killing abortion doctors even if they are totally opposed to the practice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then where, pray tell, are those in the Islamic world condemning or distancing from those that inspire hate?  Because of the recent cases of unreasonable "justice," such as the arrest of a woman that allowed a teddy bear to be named Muhammad, another woman sentences to a severe beating for being raped after being with another man who was not a relative of hers, and so on, one would hope that there would be some faction of Islam that would make clear that this is not representative of the faith (be that true or not).  Instead . . .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;. . . silence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nothing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Does not such passivity mean that the majority, the moderates, are just hunky-dory with these decisions?  Worse, the only protests that are heard are of those that demand even harsher treatments.  Apparently, the only problem that people have is the majority of the Islamic world is that their system is not barbaric enough.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It would appear to me that "moderate" has a different meaning that it does here.  After all, moderates seem to be in the middle of positions; if the positions are all skewed in one direction, then so is the middle.  Hence, the middle in the Islamic world would appear to be far away from anything those in the West would call just or fair or reasonable.  Some may of course jump to the cultural relativism bandwagon, but as far as I care to think about it relativism is self-defeating and inherently self-contradicting--the outs of the philosophy seem like nothing but sophistry to me.  If the words such as "justice" are supposed to be meaningful then they must be applied to all cultures and all parts of the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What has been happening is obviously silly at best, cruel in other cases, and disgusting at worst.  (Actually, it may still be worse.)  Mind you, also, that these are just recent examples.  In the late 1980s, there was the call for the death of Salman Rushdie; a few years ago a similar call was for Danish cartoonists.  There are the many years of terrorist attacks all around the world, including the Middle East and Israel, Africa, Asia, and lest we every forget, America.  There was also the killing of a film-maker in the Netherlands because one faithful Muslim didn't care for its contents, which has kept Ali on the run and under protection since.  I must agree with Sam Harris that this all cannot be related so simply to Western policy but must be something to do with the greater mindset of those that have accepted this religion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, other belief structures can be equally dangerous.  Christianity cannot rid itself of its deeds of the Crusades, the Inquisition, the eradication of Native Americans (especially apparent with the Inca), the numerous within-Christian wars and conflicts.  Yet, such things have become extremely rare.  Sure, Ireland has issues today, but that it rather modest compared to the 12th century.  But it seems that there still exists much of this issue in nations that profess Allah and Muhammad as his profit/prophet (Freudian slip?).  Why?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The most obvious answer would seem to be that Enlightenment values have to come to fruition in the Islamic world.  Why this is the case, I don't know.  One suspicion of mine is that because there had not existed a great, single authority on the religion, such as the Pope and Catholic Church for Christianity, there was no such body to revolt against and attempt to have an independent way of looking at the same body of work or belief structure.  Now, I would not say that Protestantism is responsible for the Enlightenment, at least not directly, but that sort of spirit of searching for answers outside of single authoritative figures and instead by one's own reasoning, a step away from submission, helped propel Europe into the philosophical powerhouse it is today with a history thinkers like Descartes, Spinoza, Bacon, Hume, Hobbes, Kant, Locke, and so many others that opened the way to freer thoughts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The trail away from submission to authority, especially authority that is only supported by the shear fact that it says it is the authority, is a good one.  I don't know if the Islamic faith can follow the trail.  This is because of the word "Islam" itself.  Many say it means peace.  But peace by what?  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Submission&lt;/span&gt;!  Sure, things will be okay in the future because no one will dare raise a finger against the despot--just look at how wonderful North Korea is!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it should at least be possible to convince the faithful en masse to embrace Enlightenment values.  After all, I have met those of such a faith and they in fact can accept the philosophies of equality and reason over dogma.  And even when there are Christians in the U.S. today that seem to forget these things in pushing for a "Christian Nation," they still don't seem to go out of their way to kill homosexuals, and neither do orthodox rabbis in Israel.  Obviously better sense makes such actions difficult, even if that simply be obedience/fear to/of the law.  Sure, it seems that cognitive dissonance would be required to keep both mindsets in the same head, but humans seem to be very good at that.  I prefer clear thinking, but progress is progress.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please read Ali's essay.  It is more than just "Islamophobia."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-4014433229849358401?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/4014433229849358401/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=4014433229849358401' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/4014433229849358401'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/4014433229849358401'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2007/12/moderate-muslims.html' title='Moderate Muslims'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-70084205893093482</id><published>2007-11-29T19:56:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-11-29T20:24:24.246-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intelligent Design'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evolution'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Creationism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Texas'/><title type='text'>Good to be in Michigan--WTF in Texas</title><content type='html'>Apparently, there is a concerted effort amongst member(s) of the Texas State Board of Education to remove a certain Chris Comer because he dared to want to listen to Barbara Forest talk about her work on the Dover trial which dealt with Intelligent Design.  PZ Myers has been repeating these reports with his classic wit &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/11/fear_of_barbara_forrest.php"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/11/the_letter_that_frightened_the.php"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/11/the_real_scoop_on_the_texas_sc.php"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  (See also &lt;a href="http://www.texscience.org/reviews/tea-science-director-resigns.htm"&gt;Texas Citizens for Science&lt;/a&gt; on this subject.)  It is obviously nuts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is supposed to be stressed by this effort is that members of the board of education are supposed to be neutral on the subject of evolution vs. intelligent design and the schools should "teach the controversy."  All so rational on the surface, no?  Of course, school boards are not neutral on the subject of chemistry vs. alchemy, at least I would hope the push for "teach the controversy" is not being pressed in Texas on this point, nor in mathematics vs. numerology, astronomy vs. astrology, etc.  I also doubt that members of a school board can seriously be neutral on having good or mediocre standards compared to other states.  If neutrality is apathy to the facts, then forget about education.  If one wanted to avoid every possible argument, nothing would even be said.  After all, there are still people arguing for a &lt;a href="http://www.fixedearth.com/"&gt;geocentric model of the earth&lt;/a&gt; and even a &lt;a href="http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/"&gt;flat earth&lt;/a&gt;!  (From what I can tell, people take this positions very seriously--I mean Art Bell seriously.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, I imagine that the members of this or any educational board/organization are not neutral on so many things.  It is obvious that political pressures and member's own desires for creationist standards in schools that is driving this issue the way it is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, I don't have the same level of pessimism as Phil Plait is showing right now (&lt;a href="http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/11/29/texas-so-so-doomed/"&gt;Texas being doomed and all&lt;/a&gt;), but it is certainly understandable and worth using the JPG he has up.  The reason for this is because so many people are already blogging about it; hopefully this story will get a fair amount of main-stream media attention and cause this to get too hot for the creationists down yonder.  Such actions would certainly cause another Dover trial, at best for the creationists.  More likely, I would think, the judge, whoever that would be, will follow precedent set by the Supreme Court and Judge Jones in Pennsylvania and cause the forced standards to be unconstitutional.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But perhaps this is what the folks at the Discovery Institute want, another trial, one that could be appealed all the way to the Supreme Court.  With a majority Catholic block in the seats, maybe they desire for the Roberts court to overturn previous decisions, such as &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Edwards v. Aguillard&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;,&lt;span class="plainlinksneverexpand"&gt;&lt;a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&amp;amp;court=US&amp;amp;vol=482&amp;amp;page=578" class="external text" title="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&amp;amp;court=US&amp;amp;vol=482&amp;amp;page=578" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 482 U.S. 587 (1987), which struck down hard on any attempts to get "creation science" into public school classrooms.  I wouldn't think this court would be so willing to do such a thing, especially considering the stance the Catholic church has take on evolution (even the current pope isn't willing to undo the decree John Paul II, &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;at least not yet&lt;/span&gt;), but then again I'm not Scalia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, and as for the very concept of teaching the controversy, a good idea if it wasn't for one detail:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="plainlinksneverexpand"&gt;WHAT CONTROVERSY?!?!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="plainlinksneverexpand"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="plainlinksneverexpand"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When it comes to taking down creationist claims, check out &lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/"&gt;TalkOrigins.org&lt;/a&gt; (which apparently was recently hacked).  On YouTube, there is a great debunking of the more popular anti-evolution videos produced by &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ExtantDodo"&gt;Extant Dodos&lt;/a&gt;.  Great stuff out there, and you don't need to have a Ph.D. to understand that creationists are full of crap, in or out of jail.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5802966814139314607-70084205893093482?l=gilgamesh42.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/feeds/70084205893093482/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5802966814139314607&amp;postID=70084205893093482' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/70084205893093482'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5802966814139314607/posts/default/70084205893093482'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://gilgamesh42.blogspot.com/2007/11/good-to-be-in-michigan-wtf-in-texas.html' title='Good to be in Michigan--WTF in Texas'/><author><name>Gilgamesh</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03251760833738663423</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5802966814139314607.post-3641580246822113191</id><published>2007-11-16T09:37:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-11-16T09:43:51.014-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Atheism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Blog'/><title type='text'>Blog Out</title><content type='html'>Because of a recent discovery, thanks to some of the other blogs I read, I have now added this blog to an Atheist Blogroll.   That is, it is a list of a large number of active blogs by atheists, mostly talking about that subject, but hopefully more as well.  There can only be so many ways to debunk a certain religious belief.  A good examples, and a very popular one, is &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/"&gt;Pharyngula&lt;/a&gt;, written by a developmental biologist PZ Myers.  But, I am an astronomer so I have to like Phil Plait's &lt;a href="http://www.badastronomy.com/"&gt;Bad Astro
